Zizians linked to four murders in three states, January 2025

[JoeFromLB]

There's another strange cult (forget the name) that believes existence itself is evil and humans should be eradicated.
A lot of insanity out there.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

IMO these ideas are not at all radical, I've met many people that hold them. It's just that they can hold those beliefs and yet still function quite well in society, or a least, don't fake their own deaths/kill anyone.

For sure, or rationalizing homicidal ideas against anyone authoritive I hope!

I know what you mean though, lots of different people out there like this... but I definitely wouldn't want to run into a Zizian in a dark alley lol

 

[Lalalacasbah]

There's another strange cult (forget the name) that believes existence itself is evil and humans should be eradicated.
A lot of insanity out there.

Ya when it goes off the deep end and extremism... where it rationalizes hurting or killing people, it gets dangerous. So much weird stuff in this world

 

[Rikissa]

I have an observation about possible consequences of veganism, i.e., iron deficiency anemia. It is known to affect the brain, pretty negatively, causing depression, anxiety, cognitive issues and occasionally, psychosis. It is a new area of research, but just to mention that perhaps, testing for iron deficiency anemia and treating such with iron supplements is a must in vegans/vegetarians?

Psychiatric Manifestations of Iron Deficiency Anemia-A Literature Review - PMC

Anemia due to iron deficiency is a highly prevalent medical condition in women and children. Iron deficiency presents with fatigue, low mood, anxiety, restlessness, palpitations, and headache. Poor nutritional intake can be the reason of iron ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It is not going to help either these subjects or Kohberger (who, too, struggled from OCD, drug use and was a vegetarian), but could it mitigate at least some cases?

(I know it is just the miniscule tip of the iceberg, but whatever we can do...)

As a vegetarian of more than 35 years I have to protest, a vegan, or a vegetarian diet doesn't automatically lead to becoming anemic. It's possible to follow a ve*an (vegan/vegetarian) diet, and get enough of iron, and all other necessary vitamins and minerals, you just have to know what to eat/combine. (The same as if following a low-salt/diabetic/or any other specific diet regime.)
I'd say becoming anemic, or getting other deficiencies, has more to do with only eating pre-prepared and/or microwave meals, and junk food, than eating a well-balanced ve*an diet based on fresh produce.
(A group of people that risk to become anemic are elderly people, doesn't they also get those consequences mentioned, and there are very few ve*gans among them.)

 

[airportwoman]

Throwing recreational drugs into the mix isn't going to help either.

 

[Charlot123]

As a vegetarian of more than 35 years I have to protest, a vegan, or a vegetarian diet doesn't automatically lead to becoming anemic. It's possible to follow a ve*an (vegan/vegetarian) diet, and get enough of iron, and all other necessary vitamins and minerals, you just have to know what to eat/combine. (The same as if following a low-salt/diabetic/or any other specific diet regime.)
I'd say becoming anemic, or getting other deficiencies, has more to do with only eating pre-prepared and/or microwave meals, and junk food, than eating a well-balanced ve*an diet based on fresh produce.
(A group of people that risk to become anemic are elderly people, doesn't they also get those consequences mentioned, and there are very few ve*gans among them.)

It is not so much about vegans and iron as about the fact that iron is seldom checked on blood panel tests by primary care doctors unless clients present with specific complaints. And surely it is not either constrained to vegetarians/vegans. Rather, negative effects of anemia on mental issues have been under-recognized.

So it is not the post against vegetarians, it is the post pro-testing the iron panel. In trivial cases, iron is easily replenished.

But as a person practicing veganism/vegetarianism for 35 years, you probably are very well aware and seasoned. My question is, could something be missed in these kids? Was their health monitored well? Behavior-wise, they are such outliers in many ways. Unexpected outliers, i might say. We are talking about typically, one of the most harmless groups, and they were far from the group’s norm. So I am trying to understand what are we missing, and why.

Another group in whom low iron can be usually missed? Young women having regular periods.

I shall check if any Danish cohort studies might have some interesting answers/observations.

 

[Rikissa]

It is not so much about vegans and iron as about the fact that iron is seldom checked on blood panel tests by primary care doctors unless clients present with specific complaints. And surely it is not either constrained to vegetarians/vegans. Rather, negative effects of anemia on mental issues have been under-recognized.

So it is not the post against vegetarians, it is the post pro-testing the iron panel. In trivial cases, iron is easily replenished.

But as a person practicing veganism/vegetarianism for 35 years, you probably are very well aware and seasoned. My question is, could something be missed in these kids? Was their health monitored well? Behavior-wise, they are such outliers in many ways. Unexpected outliers, i might say. We are talking about typically, one of the most harmless groups, and they were far from the group’s norm. So I am trying to understand what are we missing, and why.

Another group in whom low iron can be usually missed? Young women having regular periods.

I shall check if any Danish cohort studies might have some interesting answers/observations.

Is the ferritin levels done as a part of a blood panel test in the US, and in other countries? The ferritin levels can show signs of iron deficit, but also other problems. I had ferritin tested every time with a blood panel in Sweden.

Ferritin test - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org