Look at past undercover LE - the former treasurer of the Mongol Motorcycle gang was an undercover DEA AgentIMO...Grice is not cooperating. IMO, his anti-government beliefs are too strong to allow him to flip. IMO, Grice was likely a key leader of God's Misfits. For some reason, LE was unable to corroborate CW's statements that Grice was involved (they used cell data to corroborate the others' involvement) and they are continuing to gather evidence on him. IMO, this "mission" was a group effort of God's Misfits and more names will likely be linked. IMO, there was a reason LE rolled up to make arrests in armored vehicles..
IMO, of course.
Though with 20/20 hindsight, his comments about there not being a threat were wrong, I thinks its unfair to say they were "stupid".They didn't listen to her concerns.
I'd like to hear what the Sheriff has to say now about his stupid comment.
I do believe those of us following this case really do want to see it through alllllll the way until the end. Getting a handle on understanding the generational wealth and how itat end up getting dispersed will definitely be part of this whole saga.I think its possibly relevant that while custody was clearly at issue, I do think the primary issue were underlying financial issues associated with generational wealth tied up in Trusts and possibly involving the two WR children with VB that TA DID NOT want to be in any control of VB.
We have no knowledge of the family Trusts and associated income but there was a statement made in Court by WR about how he was leaving his portion of the Trust to his 'son' (no mention of daughter iirc).
I've been trying to untangle the underlying land holdings of TA and affiliated entities and its a maze but there are 1,000s of acres of land involved just in OK (haven't made it to CO or AZ where she is believed to also have holdings) along with a very active land leasing business so far as I can tell.
As they say, "Money Makes the World Go Round" and I do very much think that control or perceived control of children was what possibly set TA off into a tailspin to exclude VB from the actual and financial lives of the children.
Hope we learn more at eventual trial.
MOO
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Do we know he is in PC..any MSm verification?I do think it's possible that Grice is cooperating NOW with LE. I think he could have backed out and maybe he didn't go that day after all and once things went down, he went into hiding.. or he played along for a while and then he came forward to say what he knew and he kept an eye on them AFTER the murders and BEFORE the arrests. That I can believe.. he's MIA now because he's in PC. I think he was young and new to the group and it's more likely he backed out once he realized they were serious and people were going to die..
Anything Grice-related seems to be speculation at this point. IMO.Do we know he is in PC..any MSm verification?
No, we were just discussing possible reasons he is named as being involved in the AA, but isn't arrested and then at the presser LE stated at this time they don't expect other arrests. I can't think of many reasons why a person would be named as being involved in discussing a crime and even named as being at the crime and then NOT be charged with anything at all. Even if he helped plan it or was at meetings where it was discussed and then he backed out the day of it was still a crime. There is also no mention in the AA of him giving a statement or talking to LE.. it's like he's mentioned and then nothing else is said.Do we know he is in PC..any MSm verification?
We are definitely going to need extra white boards to visually capture the drama as more and more gets exposed.My understanding is that Grice was the newest to the group and probably the least influential.
welp, they aren't wrong JMO MOO
I do think it's possible that Grice is cooperating NOW with LE. I think he could have backed out and maybe he didn't go that day after all and once things went down, he went into hiding.. or he played along for a while and then he came forward to say what he knew and he kept an eye on them AFTER the murders and BEFORE the arrests. That I can believe.. he's MIA now because he's in PC. I think he was young and new to the group and it's more likely he backed out once he realized they were serious and people were going to die..
That would be up to the defense and murderers I imagine. This will probably take awhile.Will be a change of venue if this goes to trial ?
Or will there be a bench trial ?
I'm wondering why mention him in the PCA at all if he's in PC, though?No, we were just discussing possible reasons he is named as being involved in the AA, but isn't arrested and then at the presser LE stated at this time they don't expect other arrests. I can't think of many reasons why a person would be named as being involved in discussing a crime and even named as being at the crime and then NOT be charged with anything at all. Even if he helped plan it or was at meetings where it was discussed and then he backed out the day of it was still a crime. There is also no mention in the AA of him giving a statement or talking to LE.. it's like he's mentioned and then nothing else is said.
Apparently she is being given an public defender, while the other three are hiring their own attorneys. I'll try to find the link (so many open tabs right now!) IMOHas anyone seen any reporting on whether CT represented herself at today's hearing?
Emphasis by me. Just wow. I wonder what brought the judge to Tad's home that day? Did Tad have some clue the raid was about to go down and wanted his heavy hitter friend present? Did he not know the raid was going down and simply happened to have his friend, the judge, over when it went down?Tangentially related reporting:
Brian Entin of NewsNation: “I
spoke with Municipal Judge Vincent Forbes. He knew Tad Collum -- one of the suspects accused of killing the Kansas moms. He was at Tad's house when the raid happened. Asked him about "God's Misfits" the anti government group suspects were in. Will have more on @newsnation.”
And- after that post “Judge Forbes tells me after he did this interview with me, the mayor asked for his resignation and he resigned. Keep in mind -- this municipal judge has nothing to do professionally in his role as a judge with the Kansas mom’s case and did not talk about anything work related.”