MD MD - Judith 'Judy' O'Donnell, 19, Baltimore, 30 Nov 1980

well the two on file with AU are not the ones. they only have the inaugural and the address. (and the parade) ... darn. I'll work more on the others tonight and tomorrow.

@ladylub, I've solicited help from friends to help me do just that, but haven't been able to come up with anything. There is an entire library at Stanford filled with memorabilia from the inaugural but I can't get out there. I think my cousin's (dad's cousin) remodel is just about done. they live in san jose. Need help with this!!!!!!!!!!
 
well the two on file with AU are not the ones. they only have the inaugural and the address. (and the parade) ... darn. I'll work more on the others tonight and tomorrow.

@ladylub, I've solicited help from friends to help me do just that, but haven't been able to come up with anything. There is an entire library at Stanford filled with memorabilia from the inaugural but I can't get out there. I think my cousin's (dad's cousin) remodel is just about done. they live in san jose. Need help with this!!!!!!!!!!

I will help try to find collectors also. Finding collectors can be hard. As my husband and I have been on the hunt for stamp collectors and while many are out there it is still hard to find one that will not try to cheat us. Getting rid of some stamps from my FIL collection has been a bit tough. Born in 80 in Louisiana so that is far from anywhere close to me. Only know what I've heard on TV. I have found one site where people are talking about Studio 54 and one guy made the comment about you probably bought your coke from me. He seems to visit the site often last time being around Christmas so I'm hoping I get an answer. I asked if anyone may have known her even if its a long shot and linked the article about your sister. I also wrote to another site asking if they may know where one can get there hands on a copy of footage from the concert. They had Inaugural memorabilia but I did not see any video. I hope you find answers soon. Will look again when I have some down time tomorrow.
 
well the two on file with AU are not the ones. they only have the inaugural and the address. (and the parade) ... darn. I'll work more on the others tonight and tomorrow.

@ladylub, I've solicited help from friends to help me do just that, but haven't been able to come up with anything. There is an entire library at Stanford filled with memorabilia from the inaugural but I can't get out there. I think my cousin's (dad's cousin) remodel is just about done. they live in san jose. Need help with this!!!!!!!!!!

Maureen
Did parents change address and phone after Thanksgiving visit, was there harsh words? Hitch hiking to grandparents after no invitation?
Why at Republican event?

Is it certain that she would contact her family any longer? The political thing is very interesting, why?

If she was a hooker at a political event.....hmmmmm

What other kind of murders are there in that area?
 
Here is the response I got back from Lori Ferber, she runs the site with the memorabilia.

Melissa:
I wish I could help but I do not know anyone that would have it. My suggestion would be either the Inaugural Committee offices in Washington D.C. or one of the major TV news networks.

I know you have tried the major networks have you tried the Inaugural Committee offices? May have missed if you said you have went that path already.
 
Maureen
Did parents change address and phone after Thanksgiving visit, was there harsh words? Hitch hiking to grandparents after no invitation?
Why at Republican event?

Is it certain that she would contact her family any longer? The political thing is very interesting, why?

If she was a hooker at a political event.....hmmmmm

What other kind of murders are there in that area?

Parents have lived at the same address for 45 years -- same phone number too. There was incredibly high tension, as BOTH sisters were uninvited to the 50th in Maryland, yet both were subjected to watching the slide show at the uncle's home (where we were that thxgiving) -- one sister because of her new baby, and judy because of the trouble she had been in.

Hitchhiking to MN to go to other grandparents 50th -- she was a determined soul.

I can't figure out why she was at the inaugural, it's been making me crazy for 31 years. Earlier in this thread someone connecting Warhol to Reagan - which may hold water - since Judy was known to hang out at studio 54 (shrager and the other dude loved to mix up commoners with movie stars), it's unclear to me whether she was there as a hooker [would have had to have been high priced, or there with the same john, I don't think 54 was into street girls] -- if she was there as a girlfriend, maybe at the inaugural as a girlfriend too? who is the mystery boyfriend who no one in the family knew? Or was she a regular escort? was it a "pretty woman" relationship?

Harsh words - the scenarios have played out in my head a million times. Did they say, "here's 1000 dollars, stay away?" or "get yourself cleaned up and come home" or "stop charging calls to our number" or "don't bother coming home for christmas unless you are cleaned up" -- the list is endless and since my parents won't talk about it, it's shrouded in this bizarre secrecy. My dad is not the kindest, gentlest person, I would not be surprised at all if he was downright mean in his words. It would not shock me if her attitude was basically, "**** 'em -- the whole lot of them" -- it was an exceptionally excruciating weekend. New baby (mulatto, 19 year old mom, not married), Judy with her body bags full of super-stinky street clothes and stories of clubbing all night long in New York City, Dad drinking too much, Mom seemingly blissfully unaware of all of it.

There were a couple of sightings, my cousin claims he saw her in his neighborhood in East Brunswick, but denies telling my sister about it (freaking bizarre - why the hell is everyone so damn secretive about it??), the inaugural, I saw with MY OWN EYES - definitely her, then the sanitation workers strike.

She definitely made it back to NY. Murders in that area, excuse the cliche - fugeddaboutit. I think she probably met her fate either in an OD or at the hands of a bad John. I would not be surprised to find out that she is one of the 2 remaining uid's from the LISK. Romanticizing for a moment, I think it's possible she's the Midtown Doe, and we could back into that given the proximity to 54, her propensity to hang out there, and then figure out why she was at the inaugural.

All I really have is questions -- no answers. Lots of theories, lots of time for this to swirl around in my brain.
 
Here is the response I got back from Lori Ferber, she runs the site with the memorabilia.

Melissa:
I wish I could help but I do not know anyone that would have it. My suggestion would be either the Inaugural Committee offices in Washington D.C. or one of the major TV news networks.

I know you have tried the major networks have you tried the Inaugural Committee offices? May have missed if you said you have went that path already.

the major networks do NOT have the reels. they have been destroyed. I have been going the route of private collections, including many colleges. Where are you located? Maybe you could help at one of your local colleges or libraries?

In NYC, for example, there is a whole collection of Studio 54 materials. I'd love to get more pictures of Judy from there -- I KNOW there has to be some. Palo Alto (south of San Francisco, north of San Jose), the Stanford library houses all of the inaugural party stuff - invites, bling, photos, videos, napkins, you name it. Vanderbilt (in Nashville) has stuff on the sanitation strike.
 
the major networks do NOT have the reels. they have been destroyed. I have been going the route of private collections, including many colleges. Where are you located? Maybe you could help at one of your local colleges or libraries?

In NYC, for example, there is a whole collection of Studio 54 materials. I'd love to get more pictures of Judy from there -- I KNOW there has to be some. Palo Alto (south of San Francisco, north of San Jose), the Stanford library houses all of the inaugural party stuff - invites, bling, photos, videos, napkins, you name it. Vanderbilt (in Nashville) has stuff on the sanitation strike.

Im just outside Fort Worth Texas. Im still hunting for collectors. And Im checking out local libraries. We only have one car that my husband uses to get to work so I can not just go to one whenever. :( So my checking their web pages and emailing them to see if any would have copies. I live in a kind of small city so not sure if that will help or hurt the hunt at the one in walking distance but trying there also.
 
Parents have lived at the same address for 45 years -- same phone number too. There was incredibly high tension, as BOTH sisters were uninvited to the 50th in Maryland, yet both were subjected to watching the slide show at the uncle's home (where we were that thxgiving) -- one sister because of her new baby, and judy because of the trouble she had been in.

Hitchhiking to MN to go to other grandparents 50th -- she was a determined soul.

I can't figure out why she was at the inaugural, it's been making me crazy for 31 years. Earlier in this thread someone connecting Warhol to Reagan - which may hold water - since Judy was known to hang out at studio 54 (shrager and the other dude loved to mix up commoners with movie stars), it's unclear to me whether she was there as a hooker [would have had to have been high priced, or there with the same john, I don't think 54 was into street girls] -- if she was there as a girlfriend, maybe at the inaugural as a girlfriend too? who is the mystery boyfriend who no one in the family knew? Or was she a regular escort? was it a "pretty woman" relationship?

Harsh words - the scenarios have played out in my head a million times. Did they say, "here's 1000 dollars, stay away?" or "get yourself cleaned up and come home" or "stop charging calls to our number" or "don't bother coming home for christmas unless you are cleaned up" -- the list is endless and since my parents won't talk about it, it's shrouded in this bizarre secrecy. My dad is not the kindest, gentlest person, I would not be surprised at all if he was downright mean in his words. It would not shock me if her attitude was basically, "**** 'em -- the whole lot of them" -- it was an exceptionally excruciating weekend. New baby (mulatto, 19 year old mom, not married), Judy with her body bags full of super-stinky street clothes and stories of clubbing all night long in New York City, Dad drinking too much, Mom seemingly blissfully unaware of all of it.

There were a couple of sightings, my cousin claims he saw her in his neighborhood in East Brunswick, but denies telling my sister about it (freaking bizarre - why the hell is everyone so damn secretive about it??), the inaugural, I saw with MY OWN EYES - definitely her, then the sanitation workers strike.

She definitely made it back to NY. Murders in that area, excuse the cliche - fugeddaboutit. I think she probably met her fate either in an OD or at the hands of a bad John. I would not be surprised to find out that she is one of the 2 remaining uid's from the LISK. Romanticizing for a moment, I think it's possible she's the Midtown Doe, and we could back into that given the proximity to 54, her propensity to hang out there, and then figure out why she was at the inaugural.

All I really have is questions -- no answers. Lots of theories, lots of time for this to swirl around in my brain.

Most likely split with no intentions to come back. I do feel that she could still be alive, older, wiser, possible madam somewhere but with length of time gone by with no contact with family does indicate possible death

I am interested in the 54 and political connection. There is very much, the use of younger women as high priced call girls in political arenas, they are used as pawns in international dealings as far back as the early 1800s and even 1700s with Ben Franklins French dealings

The contact could have been made at 54, then set up to be used at political events as high priced call girl, she would have been in high demand if she did not have much wear and tear on her by then.

Tall, white girls are in demand in foreign countries, such as Sultan of Brunei, for prostitution, and when he held two Miss USAs and a runner up from the UK as prostitutes. He is immune from prosecution as a ruling family member. There are many tall women that were claimed to be held there, including older American and British women that were like madams that ran the girls

It is very possible that your sister could be in a situation like this. It is said that there is a great industry of white slavery around the world with people in high places and in power, from the Bohemian Club in the US to England with their political scandels, to the Sultan and the Miss USAs to the Middle East with the harems and concubines. Many times women from around the world are forced into these situations and seldom come home. The Miss USAs were lucky but were also famous enough to get away, your sister would not be.

If you are certain that you saw her at the Republican event, then this may very well be the case. I would not matter what part it is, just the political tie in raises red flags. If that is the case, any footage of her at any politcal events will have been destroyed

If you have a talented, pretty girl that would stand out at events and parties, one that could sing to fetch an even better price and be seen prominantly so as to have a value to whoever might have her, to use her to get whatever backdoor deal that might be schemed from a powerful friend or enemy, then that person would have something that could be traded or used

Who would that person be? He would be presentable, educated, well dressed, nice looking, connected to the wrong and right people, no compassion, business minded, greedy, has drugs but does not use them much other than coke, likes coke, considers himself a player, nice car, would live near or in the Village,flasshy dresser like John Travolta, frequents 54, Bee Gees, could be THE Dealer, call him Michael, sounds like a good name. Does she know anyone by that name?
 
Most likely split with no intentions to come back. I do feel that she could still be alive, older, wiser, possible madam somewhere but with length of time gone by with no contact with family does indicate possible death
that's my fear -- but, that the trail went COLD with no IDs through NYC or other places she was known to "live" ME or NAMUS over the years (and we have been on it all along), the three prevailing thoughts are:
1. dead, but not id'd, maybe not discovered, dead in a ditch somewhere
2. alive - in some sort of protective or other custody - US Marshal's service [have contacted them], an underground network [have not done enough with this yet] or
3. in some other custody as you describe below. The sex trade was becoming more prominent in the early 80s, as were cult activities. (I doubt she was a part of Jim Jones' cult, or any other, since she was so strong-willed, but who knows??)


I am interested in the 54 and political connection. There is very much, the use of younger women as high priced call girls in political arenas, they are used as pawns in international dealings as far back as the early 1800s and even 1700s with Ben Franklins French dealings

The contact could have been made at 54, then set up to be used at political events as high priced call girl, she would have been in high demand if she did not have much wear and tear on her by then.

She was pretty clean, all things considered. and gorgeous!
Tall, white girls are in demand in foreign countries, such as Sultan of Brunei, for prostitution, and when he held two Miss USAs and a runner up from the UK as prostitutes. He is immune from prosecution as a ruling family member. There are many tall women that were claimed to be held there, including older American and British women that were like madams that ran the girls
A person who uses arabic script joined one of the Judy groups on facebook today, was that you ??

It is very possible that your sister could be in a situation like this. It is said that there is a great industry of white slavery around the world with people in high places and in power, from the Bohemian Club in the US to England with their political scandels, to the Sultan and the Miss USAs to the Middle East with the harems and concubines. Many times women from around the world are forced into these situations and seldom come home. The Miss USAs were lucky but were also famous enough to get away, your sister would not be.

How would I get in touch with them to understand how they got out? How would I ever know or be able to get in touch with her or get a government official to help with this - even though it's a total crapshoot? A cousin worked for Interpol while my parents were hot on the trail, long before they gave up - and there was NOTHING. Not on her SSNs, not her aliases, nothing. How does this work, and how would I go about finding out if she met this fate ?

If you are certain that you saw her at the Republican event, then this may very well be the case. I would not matter what part it is, just the political tie in raises red flags. If that is the case, any footage of her at any politcal events will have been destroyed
The films have all been destroyed - the Reagan library did not have any of what I saw (got the films years ago), and ABC headquarters simply doesn't keep film that old. I tried. God did I try. And the ABC affiliate in Syracuse burned down. Now I wonder if it was intentional, if your theory holds water? I also have often wondered (and the reason I checked with the Marshals svc.) why she was involved in the inaugural - even if it was just a dance on the lawn somewhere -- and the sanitation strike - dressed outlandishly at the front by the banner -- and then NOTHING. I KNOW WHAT I SAW THAT NIGHT!

If you have a talented, pretty girl that would stand out at events and parties, one that could sing to fetch an even better price and be seen prominantly so as to have a value to whoever might have her, to use her to get whatever backdoor deal that might be schemed from a powerful friend or enemy, then that person would have something that could be traded or used

Who would that person be? He would be presentable, educated, well dressed, nice looking, connected to the wrong and right people, no compassion, business minded, greedy, has drugs but does not use them much other than coke, likes coke, considers himself a player, nice car, would live near or in the Village,flasshy dresser like John Travolta, frequents 54, Bee Gees, could be THE Dealer, call him Michael, sounds like a good name. Does she know anyone by that name?

She "lived" with some guys - who would call periodically, but then the calls stopped as fast and cold as the trail of Judy - and Judy would run up $500-1000 phone bills - regularly - one of the many things she did that was maddening. Back in the day when you could just say, "charge to my home number" and you'd give it. I don't remember any of their names - not sure my parents would either, but I'll check with them.
 
that's my fear -- but, that the trail went COLD with no IDs through NYC or other places she was known to "live" ME or NAMUS over the years (and we have been on it all along), the three prevailing thoughts are:
1. dead, but not id'd, maybe not discovered, dead in a ditch somewhere
2. alive - in some sort of protective or other custody - US Marshal's service [have contacted them], an underground network [have not done enough with this yet] or
3. in some other custody as you describe below. The sex trade was becoming more prominent in the early 80s, as were cult activities. (I doubt she was a part of Jim Jones' cult, or any other, since she was so strong-willed, but who knows??)


I am interested in the 54 and political connection. There is very much, the use of younger women as high priced call girls in political arenas, they are used as pawns in international dealings as far back as the early 1800s and even 1700s with Ben Franklins French dealings

The contact could have been made at 54, then set up to be used at political events as high priced call girl, she would have been in high demand if she did not have much wear and tear on her by then.

She was pretty clean, all things considered. and gorgeous!
Tall, white girls are in demand in foreign countries, such as Sultan of Brunei, for prostitution, and when he held two Miss USAs and a runner up from the UK as prostitutes. He is immune from prosecution as a ruling family member. There are many tall women that were claimed to be held there, including older American and British women that were like madams that ran the girls
A person who uses arabic script joined one of the Judy groups on facebook today, was that you ??

It is very possible that your sister could be in a situation like this. It is said that there is a great industry of white slavery around the world with people in high places and in power, from the Bohemian Club in the US to England with their political scandels, to the Sultan and the Miss USAs to the Middle East with the harems and concubines. Many times women from around the world are forced into these situations and seldom come home. The Miss USAs were lucky but were also famous enough to get away, your sister would not be.

How would I get in touch with them to understand how they got out? How would I ever know or be able to get in touch with her or get a government official to help with this - even though it's a total crapshoot? A cousin worked for Interpol while my parents were hot on the trail, long before they gave up - and there was NOTHING. Not on her SSNs, not her aliases, nothing. How does this work, and how would I go about finding out if she met this fate ?

If you are certain that you saw her at the Republican event, then this may very well be the case. I would not matter what part it is, just the political tie in raises red flags. If that is the case, any footage of her at any politcal events will have been destroyed
The films have all been destroyed - the Reagan library did not have any of what I saw (got the films years ago), and ABC headquarters simply doesn't keep film that old. I tried. God did I try. And the ABC affiliate in Syracuse burned down. Now I wonder if it was intentional, if your theory holds water? I also have often wondered (and the reason I checked with the Marshals svc.) why she was involved in the inaugural - even if it was just a dance on the lawn somewhere -- and the sanitation strike - dressed outlandishly at the front by the banner -- and then NOTHING. I KNOW WHAT I SAW THAT NIGHT!

If you have a talented, pretty girl that would stand out at events and parties, one that could sing to fetch an even better price and be seen prominantly so as to have a value to whoever might have her, to use her to get whatever backdoor deal that might be schemed from a powerful friend or enemy, then that person would have something that could be traded or used

Who would that person be? He would be presentable, educated, well dressed, nice looking, connected to the wrong and right people, no compassion, business minded, greedy, has drugs but does not use them much other than coke, likes coke, considers himself a player, nice car, would live near or in the Village,flasshy dresser like John Travolta, frequents 54, Bee Gees, could be THE Dealer, call him Michael, sounds like a good name. Does she know anyone by that name?

She "lived" with some guys - who would call periodically, but then the calls stopped as fast and cold as the trail of Judy - and Judy would run up $500-1000 phone bills - regularly - one of the many things she did that was maddening. Back in the day when you could just say, "charge to my home number" and you'd give it. I don't remember any of their names - not sure my parents would either, but I'll check with them.

Hmmmm, no, I dont use Arabic script at all, you need to check them out and see why they are interested

Try wikipedia to get the names of the girls on the Sultan of Brunei page, there is mention of them. Then try emailing their reps or their websites

Usually the girls are drugged, gang raped and then kept hooked on whatever drugs as they are pimped out. I helped rescue a girl several years ago in Mexico and that is what had happened to her, we had to buy her from the captors, then smuggle her back into the states, we had NO HELP from LE on either side of the border and in some cases they cannot be trusted either
 
The guys she lived with will know what happened to her and the large phone bills indicate overseas calls by amount of charges. What country? That is the link
 
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I don't know if my parents have any of the phone bills still?? The companies who stored that data I'm sure have LONG destroyed it - back before Ma Bell got chopped up and put back together.
 
The guys she lived with will know what happened to her and the large phone bills indicate overseas calls by amount of charges. What country? That is the link

I don't know how to find them -- my parents have been entirely unhelpful in that regard -- almost like the last thing said was, "I don't want to hear from your friends ever again" or something along those lines.

and I don't recall what country, I thought they were all domestic??
 
Facebook and her website. Sending you the links in a private message not sure if they are allowed here for not.

I found her page and sent her PR person an email -- then (and I can't believe I didn't look on FB first!) I forwarded the same email to her fb account.

Thank you! This is the sort of stuff -- with 3 kids running around, I lose my focus and concentration, and don't see the nose on the front of my face. Hopefully she'll reach out and at least send me in the right direction, if she can, if she's able.

I actually started with spokeo and anywho. D'oh!
 
I found her page and sent her PR person an email -- then (and I can't believe I didn't look on FB first!) I forwarded the same email to her fb account.

Thank you! This is the sort of stuff -- with 3 kids running around, I lose my focus and concentration, and don't see the nose on the front of my face. Hopefully she'll reach out and at least send me in the right direction, if she can, if she's able.

I actually started with spokeo and anywho. D'oh!

I know how it is with the kids. I normally forget what Im doing or need to do so much that I started writing it down on paper the moment I think about it. And then I forget the paper. I use pipl.com
 
I read a book review yesterday in the new york times. The author of the book was Wayne Koestenbaum and the title of the current book was Humiliation. The reason I'm posting about it is the article states that he is obsessed with Andy Warhol (and others) and has written a book about him:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/books/humiliation-by-wayne-koestenbaum-review.html

Also an article about the author:

http://www.pen.org/author.php/prmAID/35/prmID/1832

I also googled books about Warhol. And there is a book called Diaries of Andy Warhol that chronicles his life in "obsessive detail" in new york in the 70's and 80's.

Since earlier in the thread there was a discussion of the possible studio 54 connection and maybe a Warhol connection with Judy, does anyone think contacting this author to see if he has any knowledge, photographs or etc., would be worthwhile? Or possibly there might be something in the diaries that could help?

I was able to scan the index of the diaries online at Amazon and found no reference to a Judy O'donnell. I know from sister's facebook page that Judy sometimes used alias', so maybe, maybe, maybe...

What do other members think?
ive read that book most of it has to do with observations(sometimes not very nice) of his celebrity friends and the staff of 'Interview magazine.
It is an interesting read kind of facinating to hear commentary about events'such as John Lennon's asassination from his point of view.
Its a real slice of history from the late 1970's early 80's .I guess sometimes he liked to get a stack of the most recent issue of 'Interview' put them under his arm and just give them to random folks he met on the street.
 

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