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I have a son that same age as Trayvon, and he is 6'3", 215 lbs. He's a big guy. If Trayvone was 6", 160 lbs., that's not that big. I have a 14 year old who weighs 160 at 5'9".
I picture Trayvon as tall and lanky.
JMO
Most smartphones do, if the location feature is enabled (iPhones have to have the feature enabled, as well). This is why you should be careful about posting pictures you take with your phone online.Watching Dateline: Real Life Mysteries and learned that photos taken with an IPhone have GPS coordinates!
Considering that no one seems to have any accurate information on that (people seem to get a kick out of making him taller and heavier), and I haven't seen anything from his family giving an accurate account of his stats, I simply go with what's on the incident report, which is 6'0", and 160lbs.
Thanks! I saw that and was sure it was right but at some point there was an incorrect listing of him at 5'10". He definitely looks about 5'8" compared to the men standing around him. Also, MO'M is very tall.
Do we have any info on TM? I don't think I've seen an accurate report on him.
I haven't seen any source that could give us a accurate listing of Trayvons height and weight.
I would hope that the Seminole County would give accurate listings of height and weight of inmates.
All I can say about the listed size of GZ is that I don't consider 5'8" and 185lbs as being a large man. When I was 28yrs old I was 5'7" tall and around 175 lbs. Only slightly smaller than GZ. I never considered myself as being a large man. JMO.
What would be his motive?
Looks like Francis fits right in with the shuck and jive being laid out in this deal. When Anderson Cooper asked him, on 3/21, about GZ and his gun, Francis said he was SHOCKED!:
But on 4/9, when telling about GZ and the 2/2 incident at his house, Francis sang a different tune to JVM:
Why does this not surprise me?
and you don't know about it because they are juveniles. Their records are private. They are not identified by name. And when they turn 18 the records are expunged.
When I was doing consulting, I needed and got a security clearance to see criminal histories in the state's database. (I was looking to see who had re-offended afer release to compare the rehabilitation program group to the control group). I was surprised to learn that children as young as 7 had been arrested. People often think that juvenile records are kept separate and sealed but they aren't, at least not in my state. I don't have the link right now but I did read where the Department of Justice had confirmed that Trayvon had no criminal record, not even of arrests.
Would anything Trayvon said to his girlfriend via phone the night of the incident be allowed in court or is that hearsay?
Technically, it is all hearsay and would not be allowed in. However, I could see an argument that it should be let in to show TM's "state of mind."
http://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/90.804Home > Laws > The 2011 Florida Statutes > Title VII > Chapter 90 > Section 804
2011 Florida Statutes
Title VII
EVIDENCE Chapter 90
90.804 Hearsay exceptions; declarant unavailable.—(1) DEFINITION OF UNAVAILABILITY.—“Unavailability as a witness” means that the declaranta) Is exempted by a ruling of a court on the ground of privilege from testifying concerning the subject matter of the declarant’s statement;
(b) Persists in refusing to testify concerning the subject matter of the declarant’s statement despite an order of the court to do so;
(c) Has suffered a lack of memory of the subject matter of his or her statement so as to destroy the declarant’s effectiveness as a witness during the trial;
(d) Is unable to be present or to testify at the hearing because of death or because of then-existing physical or mental illness or infirmity; or
(e) Is absent from the hearing, and the proponent of a statement has been unable to procure the declarant’s attendance or testimony by process or other reasonable means.
And yet, according to the link you just quoted, what Zimmerman experienced would have been classified as a temporary detention, and not an arrest.
That is exactly what happened to Zimmerman - in fact, it was even referred to specifically as "investigative detention" by Sanford PD. The line for me is, if Zimmerman had decided at any point that he no longer wanted to cooperate and wanted to leave, could they have held him against his will? The language of the statement from Sanford's PD chief, IMO, indicates no.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf
So once Zimmerman invoked SYG, which it appears he did immediately at the scene of the crime, it seems they didn't feel they had much if any authority to do anything with regard to detaining him against his will. Whether the investigators believed him or not (and it doesn't appear they did), at that point it looks like they were just getting the story straight and filling out paperwork. I think Zimmerman, feeling nice and safe once had wrapped himself in SYG, was perfectly happy to tell his side of the story, wherever they wanted him to tell it.
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2011/03/a-favorable-appellate-case-for-the-state/And as has been discussed at WebSleuths by AZLawyer, Judge Perry’s decision will hinge on the following four factor analysis used in Florida and outlined in Ramirez v. State, 739 So. 2d 568 (Fla. 1999):
The reason this analysis is so important is that if it is determined that a reasonable person in the defendant’s position (here, Casey Anthony) would have believed herself to be in custody, law enforcement would have been required to administer proper Miranda warnings at the point a reasonable person would have felt them self in custody. And any statements made after that point, without the benefit of Miranda, would have been illegally obtained and will therefore be suppressed.
- The manner in which police summon the suspect for questioning;
- The purpose, place, and manner of the interrogation;
- The extent to which the suspect is confronted with evidence of his or her guilt; and
- Whether the suspect is informed that he or she is free to leave the place of questioning..
I get the impression that a lot of people believe the Miranda warning has to be given immediately (or at least shortly) after arrest. This is not true at all. You can arrest someone without ever Mirandizing them.
I haven't seen any source that could give us a accurate listing of Trayvons height and weight.
I would hope that the Seminole County would give accurate listings of height and weight of inmates.
All I can say about the listed size of GZ is that I don't consider 5'8" and 185lbs as being a large man. When I was 28yrs old I was 5'7" tall and around 175 lbs. Only slightly smaller than GZ. I never considered myself as being a large man. JMO.
But if a conversation starts, or questioning starts and they have not mirandized that person... they can't use that in court, correct?
GZ didn't weigh 185 at the time of the shooting. At least according to the police report. I think all this about either ones weight or height is a lot of silliness, I'd just like to nail it down.
If the statements are voluntarily made by the person, and there's not a "two-step" interrogation, it should generally be admissible. Custodial interrogations are what's restricted. If the police don't interrogate, there's no need to mirandize. It's actually a common tactic, because people believe what they say can't be used in court unless they've been read their rights... So they say things they shouldn't say. Which are then allowed in court under the party-opponent exemption.But if a conversation starts, or questioning starts and they have not mirandized that person... they can't use that in court, correct?
One of my brothers is 5' 8 1/2" and 140 pounds (he had life-threatening asthma as a child). THAT is a small man. Zimmerman outweighed Trayvon by quite a bit. I assume he was even heavier than his booking stats too, since he likely has been under serious stress since the killing.
Trayvon and Zimmerman would be in two different weight classes if Trayvon was 160 and Zimmerman 185 at the time of the shooting, regardless of height.
The juvenile justice department, not the public and not the media, stated Trayvon had no record. I know some really, really want to believe Trayvon was a with a record. But, he just did not have one. That the public can't access most juvenile records does not change that. Clearly, the juvenile justice department can.
Watching the First 48 now, good show :seeya:
Sorry if I missed it but does anyone know what the timeframe is for going before the judge for the Stand Your Ground motion? TIA ~