WA - Lindsey Baum, 10, McCleary, 26 June 2009 - #2

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when i went to google and put the addresses in the first time, it originally went with a completely different route than the one straight down maple to 3rd... it actually went up 6th street to W simpson ave. Not sure why...it's a little longer of a walk/ride... anywho... if Kayla Kampen watched LB walk to the end of the block, she would have personally saw her turn either left or right on 6th....correct? that would be the "block" she was talking bout.....

Just woke up and catching up on messages. Is it possible that Maple is a one-way street? Internet maps would recognize this and send you on an alternate route, assuming you would be driving. Not to say Lindsey would go this way while walking, but it might explain why your search returned the way it did.
 
Just woke up and catching up on messages. Is it possible that Maple is a one-way street? Internet maps would recognize this and send you on an alternate route, assuming you would be driving. Not to say Lindsey would go this way while walking, but it might explain why your search returned the way it did.

Hey there and Good Mornin!

I didn't think of that... However in the pics posted above, it looks like traffic goes both ways and not a one way street. The reason I mentioned the alternate route on W Simpson, is because of them mentioning the hill on 6th street... 6th runs into W Simpson... W Simpson runs parallel to W Maple...

Est. walking time with this route... 11 mins (.6 miles)

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Est. walking time with this route... 8 mins (.4 miles)

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Now...lets throw this monkey wrench in...what if LB decided to change that route & either took the 1st one above or went right on 6th...

Est. walking time with this route... 15 mins (.8 miles)

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What I would love to know is this... where is that hill on 6th street that KK spoke of? Which direction? If she went that route and the dogs lost her scent... if in fact that is true, maybe another friend lives on one of those streets (as said) and she wanted to see bout staying over there or whatnot. Maybe someone around there took her...whether they knew her or not... what do those roads look like? Are they a little more busy? I noticed on google maps when I changed the route to Pine street, it says ...
Use caution – This route may be missing sidewalks or pedestrian paths. What if someone hit her w/ their car and panicked ?
 
Hi All,

First time here. I have been reading websleuths for a few months now, but had not joined until yesterday.

I live in McCleary, WA and would like to point out a few things about our little town. In order to do that, please refer to the map I am going to try and post below.

Maple is a two-way street, by the way. The only one-way that I know of is right there parallel to 3rd street.

3rd street and Simpson are the two busiest streets. McCleary is located at a junction that causes this. Thus we get a lot of out-of-towners driving through to get the main highway or headed towards the Casino. So, it may be a small town, but it sees it's share of traffic.

Although you can't tell from the map very easily, 3rd street is on a pretty good incline from South to North. So as you head into town, you must ride the brakes not to exceed the 25 mph speed limit. This in turn has caused a police officer to often sit and radar from the bottom of the hill, on the side of the police station. This vehicle is parked there a lot and it's hard to tell if someone is in it or not. This being the case, if Lindsey was abducted on 3rd street, that person would be taking an awful chance that someone might be in the police vehicle and witness the abduction, if it was some just driving through. (I do not know if the police vehicle was there that night at the time Lindsey would have been passing through.) The gas station is pretty bright too. I think it is unlikely though that she would have been abducted on that main street unless someone knew no one was in the police car or it had just left. This town is pretty small, it doesn't take long to patrol it. Also, she does not have to walk up 3rd street as the route would suggest. She could have easily crossed 3rd and walked behind the gas station to cut through onto Mommsen St.

Businesses open in the area at the time would have been the convience store, the gas station, the local tavern and the hospital, all noted on the map. Other than that, the town is pretty dead after 9:00pm, even on Friday and Saturday nights. It's possible the perp could have been a customer / visitor at one of these establishments or was just headed through.

This area is dense with timber also. In any direction you can go are wooded side roads just outside of town.

Well that's my 2 cents. Hope it helps clear some things up.

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Cyberswept... welcome to WS :)

Thank you for your post! Can you help me with the hill on 6th street? Where is it located?
 
CajunGirl, 6th St. is indeed on an incline with the south end being the highest. Also, all the streets you have outlined in your last image are not busy streets, however there are not a lot of street lights on those side streets.

Also it seems that if someone hit her with a car, there would be some amount of blood on the street that the dogs would have keyed on.
 
CajunGirl, 6th St. is indeed on an incline with the south end being the highest. Also, all the streets you have outlined in your last image are not busy streets, however there are not a lot of street lights on those side streets.

Also it seems that if someone hit her with a car, there would be some amount of blood on the street that the dogs would have keyed on.

I totally agree about the blood... is it possible that she took a right onto 6th street (south) towards Pine? Do you think that is where the dogs lost her scent (per another poster)

ETA: The reason I ask is because someone, somewhere (LOL) mentioned that it's possible she went another route because a friend lived on one of those other streets...
 
Well, at this point, anything is possible. Most people follow the path of least resistance which would suggest she took the route assumed by the police. That hill has a pretty good incline and with it getting dark, I would think it unlikely she would do so, unless forced to perhaps. I simply don't know. Maybe she knows someone on 6th. All the kids here from pre-school to 8th grade go to the same school. This is a really small town.
 
Well, at this point, anything is possible. Most people follow the path of least resistance which would suggest she took the route assumed by the police. That hill has a pretty good incline and with it getting dark, I would think it unlikely she would do so, unless forced to perhaps. I simply don't know. Maybe she knows someone on 6th. All the kids here from pre-school to 8th grade go to the same school. This is a really small town.

Thanks for your help cyber :D

I'm sorry this is going on in such a cute lil small town. Where I live, it used to be kinda that way...until Hurricane Katrina hit and pushed the people out this way and they brought the crime with them.
 
No problem. Glad I could answer your question. Well I am off to sleep. Been up all night.
 
No problem. Glad I could answer your question. Well I am off to sleep. Been up all night.

Me too...it's 743am here... I've been up all night. These things rattle my poor lil brain! nite nite :blowkiss:
 
I wonder if this child did not want to go home so headed to someones house to see if she could spend the night there.

And whose the mothers boyfriend/guy friends that come around? She would have gotten in a car with one of them.
 
Kampen's live at 647...
so... between 7th Street and 6th Street is where Lindsey started.

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I'm only just starting to read this case now but had to respond to this before reading any further. And it isn't even relevant... just gotta say it.

Tori Stafford's house number was 647. So was my Mom's (who died 10 days before Tori). Just seems like something I can't shake.
 
I'm only just starting to read this case now but had to respond to this before reading any further. And it isn't even relevant... just gotta say it.

Tori Stafford's house number was 647. So was my Mom's (who died 10 days before Tori). Just seems like something I can't shake.

Im sorry :( :blowkiss:
 
Has anyone read Wesley's blog on MS? Almost feeling guilty posting the link, but I can't decide if it's sad or just creepy.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=35338297

it gave me goose bumps when i read it.......he talks about depression....him self having an evil monster inside...really large highs and then very low low's like a roller coaster....not letting him self get close to anyone....and then the last one...seems like he is talking about someone who had died...perhaps a suicide....is that what you got from it? some really deep stuff....makes you wonder about him.....? is there something there....or has this guy had a really tuff life....and is only pouring out his heart and soul....dont know what to think
 
it gave me goose bumps when i read it.......he talks about depression....him self having an evil monster inside...really large highs and then very low low's like a roller coaster....not letting him self get close to anyone....and then the last one...seems like he is talking about someone who had died...perhaps a suicide....is that what you got from it? some really deep stuff....makes you wonder about him.....? is there something there....or has this guy had a really tuff life....and is only pouring out his heart and soul....dont know what to think

I got pretty much the same thing from it, don't forget that multiple personalities reference, he calls himself evil and a monster. I think he needs a lie detector and a psych eval.
 
Steroids came to mind while I was reading it.

"Psychological Effects

Steroids have been reported to increase a persons aggressiveness or lead them to become more violent. This is sometimes called a "roid rage," defined as a manic rage where the user displays episodes of outright aggression and/or violent feelings and actions. Though scientific evidence is hard to find in support of roid rages, there are a large number of individual accounts of users who describe their own uncharacteristic aggressive behavior while under the influence of anabolic steroids.

In addition, many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, but researchers report that extreme mood swings can also occur. Depression is often seen when the drugs are stopped and may contribute to a dependence on anabolic steroids. Researchers further report that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility."
http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp
 
it gave me goose bumps when i read it.......he talks about depression....him self having an evil monster inside...really large highs and then very low low's like a roller coaster....not letting him self get close to anyone....and then the last one...seems like he is talking about someone who had died...perhaps a suicide....is that what you got from it? some really deep stuff....makes you wonder about him.....? is there something there....or has this guy had a really tuff life....and is only pouring out his heart and soul....dont know what to think

Hard to say if he's just venting.

The part about him working out - brain starts thinking too much or he gets depressed - the only place he can rage and not get arrested. I dunno...
 
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