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Yes. You said it better. So if you answered the poll, you would make us go from 3 to 4.
ETA: Hello 4!
Okay, I answered but for the record, it now says 6! :thumb:
Yes. You said it better. So if you answered the poll, you would make us go from 3 to 4.
ETA: Hello 4!
Those 3 of us who believe Kyron was either abducted (by anyone other than TH, DS or accomplice) or is still at the school/surrounding area of school, are you feeling as though Kyron will be found the first week of school?
...Who knows, but I think the two hours of country driving had more to do with TH trying to calm herself down, dealing with Kyron, and being in a panic, than it did trying to calm down a sick baby.
.... Just a thought -- I'm just trying to piece it together. I think the call to DeDe was a panic call. And I can't imagine DeDe would have anything to do with intentionally harming a child, but I think she would cover for TH if she was told it was accidental, and TH had called freaking out in a panic..."OMG, you have to help me... I didn't mean for this to happen, and will go to jail and I'll never see my daughter or my son again...!"
By the way, I hope my computer is never searched. Because now I have looked up anti-freeze, and undetectable poisons.
We need some more information!! I'm about to chew my own arm off.:crosseyed:
Does anyone else think that Kyron's smile in the science fair picture looks weird? Looking at the other pictures of him, his smile is so big and bright that you can see his happiness in his eyes. That is missing from this particular picture. Something is just not the same IMO.
I'm working on a theory, but need some more information. Does anyone know if the Horman truck has underseat or under floorboard storage that might accomodate a child Kyron's size? That said, and after thinking about it a bit more, that might not even have been necessary, if: TH did away with Kyron between 8:45-9:00 am and "stored" him in the truck; got her alibi for 9:00 - 10:00 set; got nervous and did drive around for an hour; went to the gym; got home at 12:45. Kaind did not arrive home until 2:00. That gave her over an hour to dispose of the body - wherever. Perhaps, even on their property? What am I missing, timewise?
I keep remembering
- The Skyline groundskeeper who said he saw children outside the school, by the door, that I think was close to Kyron's classroom, and they were playing.
- I see the aerial photograph in the Skyline Elementary School thread and this confirms for me that Kyron's room is close to that door and I think that is the same door the groundskeeper saw the children playing outside of.
- Does that door lock automatically behind you if you open it? If you go outside it and come back in, will it let you? Or will you have to walk around to another way into the school?
- And if this did happen and Kyron couldn't get back in the door, would his path lead him past a person who saw opportunity to grab him and put him in his vehicle? Would this path have led him toward the parking lot (filled with people at the science fair) to get back into the building.
Someone could have taken Kyron in this scenario or - Kyron is still at the school/school grounds becuase all it takes is one person who is searching one particular area of the school/school grounds (who thinks oh this kid has been abducted) who doesn't give all his/her effort to search his 'assigned' area.
credited to October![]()
I think that's feasible, timewise, but if he was deceased in the truck for any amount of time, wouldn't the forensics team be able to detect something? Even if it's his clothing fibers in an unlikely part of the truck? I'm interested to hear what others think. I keep coming back to the truck too. But in my scenario, TH got so irritated at baby K being fussy (maybe even throughout the night before) that one misstep from Kyron unleashed her rage and she struck him or slammed the door & knocked him out. Or something. But then there should be evidence of that in truck, shouldn't there?
I keep remembering
- The Skyline groundskeeper who said he saw children outside the school, by the door, that I think was close to Kyron's classroom, and they were playing.
- I see the aerial photograph in the Skyline Elementary School thread and this confirms for me that Kyron's room is close to that door and I think that is the same door the groundskeeper saw the children playing outside of.
- Does that door lock automatically behind you if you open it? If you go outside it and come back in, will it let you? Or will you have to walk around to another way into the school?
- And if this did happen and Kyron couldn't get back in the door, would his path lead him past a person who saw opportunity to grab him and put him in his vehicle? Would this path have led him toward the parking lot (filled with people at the science fair) to get back into the building.
Someone could have taken Kyron in this scenario or - Kyron is still at the school/school grounds becuase all it takes is one person who is searching one particular area of the school/school grounds (who thinks oh this kid has been abducted) who doesn't give all his/her effort to search his 'assigned' area.
credited to October![]()
credited to Ruby Red![]()
Janitor Bill Tandy walks past Kyron Horman's classroom at Skyline Elementary School in the early hours of June 7, 2010.
Kyron's classroom is at the front of the school where the marker is. The flowerboxes were toward the back of the school along the upper path overlooking the soccer field.
The LS did not say he saw kids come out to play. He also did not say the children were unattended by an adult. He said he saw them come out and look at the flower boxes and he hoped they would not come down to the field.
I do not know for sure, but I suspect those side doors are kept locked during the school day so that people cannot enter, but can exit.
If a child went out and could not get back in, I think the front door at the center would be the way back in. However, it does not make sense to me that the back doors, near the covered play area would be kept locked all the time. I can't imagine all the kids would have to traipse around the school to the front every time just to return from recess. One of those back doors might be kept unlocked as well. But I don't really know for sure. Just conjecture.
But if Kyron is near the school, he is obviously well-hidden and not likely to be found easily. Professionals searched for him there, I think quite thoroughly. I don't think it is more likely he will be found sooner rather than later if he is near the school or elsewhere, sadly. One day, by accident, perhaps...unless of course Terri just sent him away someplace, which seems more and more unlikely with each passing hour.
Kyron's classroom is at the front of the school where the marker is. The flowerboxes were toward the back of the school along the upper path overlooking the soccer field.
I think that's feasible, timewise, but if he was deceased in the truck for any amount of time, wouldn't the forensics team be able to detect something? Even if it's his clothing fibers in an unlikely part of the truck? I'm interested to hear what others think. I keep coming back to the truck too. But in my scenario, TH got so irritated at baby K being fussy (maybe even throughout the night before) that one misstep from Kyron unleashed her rage and she struck him or slammed the door & knocked him out. Or something. But then there should be evidence of that in truck, shouldn't there?
Hiya PDXmom, not sure if you've gotten your answer about forensics in the truck, but I didn't see anyone answering on this thread so I'll share with you what little that I know...
I am almost certain that it was butterfly1978 that researched some info about forensics such as cadaver dogs and what amount of time a deceased body must have been present for a cadaver dog to be able "hit on it" giving a positive affirmation that yes, there was a deceased body[in the truck for instance as we are talking about here].. The info she found was remarkable...
2 minutes is the answer! A dead body being in the truck for ONLY 2 mins, that's just 120 seconds and a cadaver dog will be able to pick up on the "scent of death"
I found that truly amazing and was shocked. I would have thought the amount of time necessary would have been ALOT longer, like several hours is what I was thinking...
I do not know the specific thread where butterfly1978 posted this tidbit of info that she'd found[I am almost 100% positive that it was her that posted the info]
I'll see if I can find it and I'll edit this post and add a link to where you or anyone interested can see this "informative" info....
BTW- The post I am looking for not only mentioned the 2 min cadaver dog info but also had mention of the "death band" on the hair and wondering how long it took for the "death band" to appear on the shaft of the hair...
So if anyone knows off hand what and where this post is please feel free to help by posting a link to it... TIA