Speculation that CBS has been courting them,thus the daily pressers. Also, Papa T told the press that very soon they would speak and explain everything in another way. MOO.
CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, deceased/not found, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #66
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Yes, MT had the CBS folder on her desk in court.
I’m not feeling it on the issue defendants profiting from their alleged (for now) activities.
Presumed innocent folks cue up the fire and brimstone as today I crossed fully into the convict on all counts camp….we’ve been following this evidence now for so xxxx long and waited to figure if reasonable doubt existed.
After the Horn closing I just didn’t see his argument holding any water. Issue is we know more here than the jury will get to see and have been following this evidence for a damn long time. Not sure how it will shake out with the jury but imo the state closing was impactful and well organized.
Jury has a tough row to hoe in this case and don’t envy them their task but they have a foreperson and they have easel and they have lots of boxes.
Praying for them!
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More comfortable surroundings iirc…nothing but the best…another group that imo belongs in the rear view mirror…still shaking my head about Petu saying, “I’ve waited 5 years for this” when she spoke on the steps the other day. Girl, you had a choice to help your friend as you said yourself and you waited 777 days or something ridiculous? Girl please just sit down….
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Indeed. And the big surprise was that she said the defendant was innocent.
That was it?
Uh, okay.
I'm feeling confident.
Pros did a stellar presentation. Kept it simple with good exhibits. IMO, they nailed it.
MM was soft spoken, organized , deliberate and effective.
SM had a simmering fire in his belly then let it crescendo at the very end. He was po'd and showed it.
Like he was gonna rush over and rock her face but restrained himself. Oh, how I liked that.
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How do they plan to explain everything another way?
That MT had a clone? That MT was a Fotis hostage and had Stockholm Syndrome ? or maybe drugged to be in a fugue state ?
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It's 6 people on this jury.
But in my experience as a juror in years past with 12 jurors its easy to know the right person for the job as you spend so much time in a small room on breaks and everyone gets to know one another, their personalities and their professional occupations. You recognize a leader when you see and hear one...IMO.
In every case I was a juror on we wrote a name on a piece of paper to decide the jury foreman and it was almost unanimous in every trial I served on.
The one chosen always voted for someone else and there was a couple other names submitted too but the majority ruled.
And in every case the one chosen was surprised but did the job wonderfully. In one case it was a male college English professor. In another it was a female retired legal aid lawyer and the other was a female bank manager. It was interesting to watch them organize the facts from the trial in 3 different organized systems with help from the other jurors but it was a resounding guilty 3 times during my service.
Well, JS did…
As the jury entered into deliberations Tuesday, Schoenhorn said Troconis' family is “apprehensive.”
You can read the rest of what he said in here if you like. Not worth posting.
Their way. The Venezualan way.
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I think the words of MT told us their plan. “I was just the stupid girlfriend and I know nothing”.
She said this in interview 3 iirc.
Thing is that evidence doesn’t support this imo.
I was thinking about the States charges as I originally wasn’t focused on how they charged MT. But, the way they did the charges based on specific acts and actions makes it very easy for jury to follow their breadcrumbs. Conspiracy charge requires a bit more of connect the evidence dots but I see a clear path for them there as well.
This is such a complex and multifaceted crime that the charges needed to be easily grasped and understood by the jury. It took my non lawyer brain a bit of time to figure this all out on the charges but when I did see things a bit more clearly and then you saw how the States closing mirrored the charges in detail, then the lightbulb went off for me as I was seeing it from the perspective of how the jury would be hearing it from the state.
We all see things differently but I think for me why the Horn closing failed was that it didn’t follow the charges, didn’t deal with the never ending lies and changing stories, didn’t deal with the endless details about minutia and the deception seen on the alibi scripts. The bomb throwing and anger shown towards PG imo also fell flat and the anger against LE when we saw nothing but courtesy and professionalism also made little sense.
It’s in the jury’s hands so we will eventually get an idea of how they processed what we just spent weeks watching play out in court.
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No offense to Venezualans intended.
Should have said the Troconis way.
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Thanks to all of you websleuths, it has been a pleasure being on this journey for justice for Jennifer .with most of you since that tragic day in 2019.
Thank you for your time, dedication and treasure trove of sheer brilliance!
I smiled and cried today. Smiled because of the amazing job her prosecution team did. I was blown away.
I also smiled because of the love and support dear Jennifer has and how her bright light will continue to shine in her beautiful children, mother, family and friends.
I cried because of the senseless loss and how these children will never have their loving mom at their birthday celebrations, dances, graduations, weddings etc.
How they will all miss her every single day for the rest of their lives.
This was senseless and selfish and Michelle Troconis needs to be held accountable for her role in helping to plan this brutal murder and helping to cover it up.
It’s time for her to pay the price of her involvement. The evidence is clear. She is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There are no other explanations. It’s all there on a silver platter.
It’s time for justice to be served.
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Absolutely. Any astute, sane, commonsense jury will come to the conclusion that she is guilty. The State handled it perfectly. MOO.
And, MM said this is not a complicated case. Follow the evidence that we have clearly outlined for you, which they did.
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My take was he cried because his "family" was not who he thought they were. He was mourning the way we were, so to speak. I really felt like he didn't believe in Fotis' or Michelle's innocence, but he really wished he did believe.
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You could always take Silver Spring Road…
A bit of an “inside joke” for those that have been suffering this case the past 4+ years…back in summer of 2019 FD got caught crossing state lines with his ankle monitor- there is a tiny piece of road between NC and Ridgefield that cuts across the NY line briefly.
FD said that there was traffic or an accident and Wayz directed him that way to get on 84. If anyone has ever driven on Silver Spring Rd…most haven’t because it’s a one lane rutted road that runs next to a remote reservoir- perfect place to dump a body (or any other evidence) and could fit within the time gap at Waveny…but definitely not a shortcut to get to 84….
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OMG - LOL! I was just going to say the same thing. They deliberated for 15 minutes. First order of business - pick the Foreperson. Second order of business - the Foreperson is that “easel guy or gal” we have all probably worked with at some point. Thankfully, they haven’t asked for a pointer.
Now I will say this a good sign of the jury being organized and ready to work - but it’s definitely consistent with engineers and binary thinking. If X, then, or not then, Y. If Y is a Greek salad, Z can only be alone at 4JC.
An easel is definitely a “low tech” ask from the jury - so I hope they aren’t going to do longhand triangulation theory, instead of looking at drone footage, and/or FBI-grade mapping of cellar data.
A lot of juries ask for video equipment to review - well - video evidence. Or - a playback of witness testimony.
I can also appreciate the list-maker person - I love lists, I love paper and pen, I love crossing things off - so the easel could be indicative of that kind of personality in the mix.
I’m going to assume they need it for organizing themselves, and the work in front of them (rather than to redraw all the routes between 4JC, 80 MS, NC, all the adjacent homes with ring doorbells, all Starbucks, trash cans and the pond, places to buy meat, and place to get hair cut and colored).
Such as:
1) recording votes on the individual charges
2) listing elements of each charged offense to facilitate discussion
3) maybe “marshalling” evidence for/against each charge or element of charge
4) an agenda of the day including breaks, lunch
5) ground rules for deliberating
6) list of questions for the Court
7) list of questions where there may be disagreement that needs discussion - and the converse - elements they agree on
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I realise there are more impt things to chat about but I do wonder after “computer screen gate” why MT thought vaping in court today was something remotely appropriate?
Here is link to Video posted.
Is this entitlement, stupidity, arrogance, disconnection, narcissistic behaviour etc?
Why?
Here is link to Video posted.
Is this entitlement, stupidity, arrogance, disconnection, narcissistic behaviour etc?
Why?
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She’s probably thinking “Eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeermmmmm”
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