GA GA - Robert Ashworth, 24, Cartersville, 9 March 2005

[georgiagirl]

A young man I know was on probation and required to wash police cars on Saturdays as part of it.

Thanks for the info! That could be a possibility!!

 

[BethInAK]

Exactly right Sewing, washing cars for LE is a big probation assignment....maybe he is on probation?

I never got a call back from the bond people, they wouldn't tell me anyting while talking, I asked for the person in charge to ring me, that was awhile ago.

I have something up my sleeve, going to make a call.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that whatever is up your sleeve works.

 

[georgiagirl]

I just talked with one of the agents in my office who used to be a Cherokee County Probation officer. She said if he is washing police cruisers somewhere he is probably in jail and working off his fines or MAY be in protective custody. She said she did not think that people in protective custody would have their child support paid. That does not sound right... but, anything is possible!

I gave her his birthdate and SS# so she could check some things out!

 

[HokeyPokey143]

I called Lt. Edwards, the day before yesterday, (Monday 9/17/07), at his direct number (678) 493-4166, and his story had changed from what he had told our case manager. He told me over the phone, that he has never told anyone that he saw Robert anywhere, much less washing police cars! He told me that the last thing he had heard about my brother was when he got pulled over that time by the GSP, (Georgia State Patrol). I said, oh that time is 2005?, and he said he wasn't sure, but that was the last time he had heard anything about Robert. He also said that Cherokee County 'had no dogs in this fight', being Robert's case was filed in Bartow County, and the only reason they have any knowledge of it, is because of the other two men that went missing around the same time, which is Stephen, and Cowboy, they thought that these 3 men are linked. He told me to go to the BCSD and tell them I wanted to file an "open records request on the case file concerning Robert's missing person report". He said they could not deny it to me by state law. So, I am going to do that the next time I get to go to Cartersville.

So, now his story is changing. I don't know what to believe. He sounded VERY sincere over the phone, and urged me to call him back when I get that open records request he told me about. He did sound very concerned, and like I said, sincere. I welcome, and urge any of you out there that may want to, to call him yourself, at the number I posted above, and see what he has to say to you. It may be interesting to say the least. Just a thought.

Anyway,....I just wanted to share this with you, and of course, get your opinions.

 

[BethInAK]

I called Lt. Edwards, the day before yesterday, (Monday 9/17/07), at his direct number (678) 493-4166, and his story had changed from what he had told our case manager. He told me over the phone, that he has never told anyone that he saw Robert anywhere, much less washing police cars! He told me that the last thing he had heard about my brother was when he got pulled over that time by the GSP, (Georgia State Patrol). I said, oh that time is 2005?, and he said he wasn't sure, but that was the last time he had heard anything about Robert. He also said that Cherokee County 'had no dogs in this fight', being Robert's case was filed in Bartow County, and the only reason they have any knowledge of it, is because of the other two men that went missing around the same time, which is Stephen, and Cowboy, they thought that these 3 men are linked. He told me to go to the BCSD and tell them I wanted to file an "open records request on the case file concerning Robert's missing person report". He said they could not deny it to me by state law. So, I am going to do that the next time I get to go to Cartersville.

So, now his story is changing. I don't know what to believe. He sounded VERY sincere over the phone, and urged me to call him back when I get that open records request he told me about. He did sound very concerned, and like I said, sincere. I welcome, and urge any of you out there that may want to, to call him yourself, at the number I posted above, and see what he has to say to you. It may be interesting to say the least. Just a thought.

Anyway,....I just wanted to share this with you, and of course, get your opinions.

He does sound sincere from what you describe - and HELPFUL.

Who told you that Lt Edwards made those comments about Robert washing police cars? And how did they hear it? Did they hear it directly from Lt Edwards?

 

[georgiagirl]

He does sound sincere from what you describe - and HELPFUL.

Who told you that Lt Edwards made those comments about Robert washing police cars? And how did they hear it? Did they hear it directly from Lt Edwards?

Hi Beth. Actually I am the one to met with Lt. Edwards along with another Case manager from our org. He was adament about Robert being alive and NOT in hiding. He said IIRC "He's washing police cars!" "He is not in hiding, he is out in plain sight!". He also said to me "Well, we can't make a grown man come home to his family." When I mentioned that there had been no activity on his credit report (according to his sister) the Captain replied "They must be paying him in cash to wash those police cars!" WTF!!??

 

[georgiagirl]

Since Tonya found out the supposed identifying traffic stop was made by the GSP, I called them and asked them if someone has been reported as Missing and they get pulled over by LE, then are they alerted somehow to this info? And, if so, then how do they identify this person? Do they just check the DL or do they have some kind of protocol? If they just check the DL, then it could have been anyone with his DL. Since we do not know what "post" area he was pulled over in, she said they cannot pull a ticket since they do not have a database. So, I sent her a copy of the article in the newspaper stating he had been pulled over along with his vital statistics and she said she was gonna email out to all posts and see if anyone remembers the traffic stop. I would love to speak to the trooper who stopped him. I would love to see the video footage!

 

[georgiagirl]

Hi Beth. Actually I am the one to met with Lt. Edwards along with another Case manager from our org. He was adament about Robert being alive and NOT in hiding. He said IIRC "He's washing police cars!" "He is not in hiding, he is out in plain sight!". He also said to me "Well, we can't make a grown man come home to his family." When I mentioned that there had been no activity on his credit report (according to his sister) the Captain replied "They must be paying him in cash to wash those police cars!" WTF!!??

ANOTHER THING I wanted to add was that originally Tammy and I had requested to meet with Lt. Edwards so that we could give him a lead on another case. I wanted to be sure he got it personally so that is why we asked to see him in person. When we got there his superior (The Captain of the Violent Crimes Unit) was there and wanted us to all meet in his office. The captain had kind of an attitude with us from the start and his body language was very intimidating. Tammy was asking a few questions about Stephen Lankester's case and Captain was very defensive and argumentative with her. Lt. Edwards was not rude or anything but just seemed guarded while in the Captain's presence. Edwards escorted us out of the building as we were leaving and his whole demeanor changed. IMO he seemed more relaxed and more friendly even saying "You can call me anytime of the day or night and I will answer!" He has even corresponded on a few emails with me. My gut tells me he knows more than he can say about Robert. I feel he knows how corrupt Bartow SD is...

 

[christine2448]

IHe told me to go to the BCSD and tell them I wanted to file an "open records request on the case file concerning Robert's missing person report". He said they could not deny it to me by state law. So, I am going to do that the next time I get to go to Cartersville.

I wonder if they have a special form, you could call ahead and get it faxed....if it's just generic, you can make one up here

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[georgiagirl]

I wonder if they have a special form, you could call ahead and get it faxed....if it's just generic, you can make one up here

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:woohoo:Thanks Christine!!! I will alert Tonya to this info!

 

[Gina_M]

ANOTHER THING I wanted to add was that originally Tammy and I had requested to meet with Lt. Edwards so that we could give him a lead on another case. I wanted to be sure he got it personally so that is why we asked to see him in person. When we got there his superior (The Captain of the Violent Crimes Unit) was there and wanted us to all meet in his office. The captain had kind of an attitude with us from the start and his body language was very intimidating. Tammy was asking a few questions about Stephen Lankester's case and Captain was very defensive and argumentative with her. Lt. Edwards was not rude or anything but just seemed guarded while in the Captain's presence. Edwards escorted us out of the building as we were leaving and his whole demeanor changed. IMO he seemed more relaxed and more friendly even saying "You can call me anytime of the day or night and I will answer!" He has even corresponded on a few emails with me. My gut tells me he knows more than he can say about Robert. I feel he knows how corrupt Bartow SD is...

Wow. Is it possible to go higher up? Maybe to the governor or something?

 

[T-Rex]

Wow, Tonya, it sounds like he's trying to give you a clue, in telling you to get the records and then call him. Maybe if you see the report, then you'll know the right question to ask him.

 

[BethInAK]

ANOTHER THING I wanted to add was that originally Tammy and I had requested to meet with Lt. Edwards so that we could give him a lead on another case. I wanted to be sure he got it personally so that is why we asked to see him in person. When we got there his superior (The Captain of the Violent Crimes Unit) was there and wanted us to all meet in his office. The captain had kind of an attitude with us from the start and his body language was very intimidating. Tammy was asking a few questions about Stephen Lankester's case and Captain was very defensive and argumentative with her. Lt. Edwards was not rude or anything but just seemed guarded while in the Captain's presence. Edwards escorted us out of the building as we were leaving and his whole demeanor changed. IMO he seemed more relaxed and more friendly even saying "You can call me anytime of the day or night and I will answer!" He has even corresponded on a few emails with me. My gut tells me he knows more than he can say about Robert. I feel he knows how corrupt Bartow SD is...

maybe his way of telling you to dig further - to give you a carrot.

 

[HokeyPokey143]

that Lt. Edwards is trying to help without directly getting involved. I spoke to my Daddy yesterday, and he told me, that he did go to Clark Millsaps office this past week and ask some questions about Robert. (whether or not Robert is out there, Clark Millsap is 'supposedly' the leader of all the guilty/dirty cops at Bartow). Millsap told Daddy that according to his report, Robert was pulled over in Acworth, GA. by a Douglas County State Trooper, and asked for his whereabouts to remain annonymous.

Now, I have heard in the past couple of days, that Robert had been seen on Glade Road in Acworth about a month ago, AND that he was, and quite possibly still is living in Adairsville, GA, both are Bartow County. Of course, we, any of his family & friends, still have not seen him.

 

[BethInAK]

that Lt. Edwards is trying to help without directly getting involved. I spoke to my Daddy yesterday, and he told me, that he did go to Clark Millsaps office this past week and ask some questions about Robert. (whether or not Robert is out there, Clark Millsap is 'supposedly' the leader of all the guilty/dirty cops at Bartow). Millsap told Daddy that according to his report, Robert was pulled over in Acworth, GA. by a Douglas County State Trooper, and asked for his whereabouts to remain annonymous.

Now, I have heard in the past couple of days, that Robert had been seen on Glade Road in Acworth about a month ago, AND that he was, and quite possibly still is living in Adairsville, GA, both are Bartow County. Of course, we, any of his family & friends, still have not seen him.

I'd be plastering the stores in that area with pictures of Robert. If anyone has seen him, they'd call.

 

[georgiagirl]

Well, Tonya, Robert's sister called me yesterday very upset and stated she had some new information to share with me. SO, I am posting this with her permission.

Re-cap the night Red was last seen he was dropped off by his cousin Amber and she said she took him to the Cartersville Wal-Mart and he went in to wire money to his STBX wife and then got into a truck with two men. And that is what has been reported to his family AND police when the missing person report was made. Tonya went to a family reunion this past Sunday and was talking with Amber's daughter and she told Tonya that her mother had lied about where he was dropped off. Apparently, Red asked her to drive him to Macon, GA after he went to wire money at the C'ville Wal-Mart. He told her not to tell anyone he was dropped off in Macon but to tell people she had dropped him off at Wal-Mart. So she did. Turns out that he got into a truck with two men and a woman. WHy???

Tonya was very upset to find out that all this time she has been going on wrong info. Amber's daughter said her mother said he was talking to some woman on a phone chat line on the way to Macon. Tonya said she never knew of him using chat lines to meet women. Amber stated he had not brought a lot of clothes with him.

Also, a friend of mine who is a PI ran his credit, and other info based on his vitals and SS and nothing since 2005. His sister Tonya ordered a report from the SS administration and it did not show any earnings since 2005.

I am starting to think he MAY be alive and so is Tonya. BUT, what the heck is going on???/

This guy has had more "sightings" than Elvis!! EXCEPT by myself or his family..... This case drives me nuts!

 

[georgiagirl]

Another thing I forgot to add is that Tonya has a friend who is a bounty hunter and has been for years. He is VERY good! But he has been in Iraq for a long time and now he is back and wants to help find Robert.

 

[christine2448]

I thought I'd posted this here, but must have only on LTWH, sorry.

I have done extensive background checks on Robert. I am wtg one more report. By all accounts it appears that he fell off the face of the earth in 2004. NO DL listed in US at this time, that I could find.

What about WPP? A possibility? Could that give the answers to what some think are a cover up?

Did he have the resources to pull of an identity change w/o help from LE?

 

[georgiagirl]

I thought I'd posted this here, but must have only on LTWH, sorry.

I have done extensive background checks on Robert. I am wtg one more report. By all accounts it appears that he fell off the face of the earth in 2004. NO DL listed in US at this time, that I could find.

What about WPP? A possibility? Could that give the answers to what some think are a cover up?

Did he have the resources to pull of an identity change w/o help from LE?

What is WPP??

I think I can safely say that NO, he would not have had the resources to do an identity change without help. I am starting to think as does his sister that his case is closely tied in with Stephen Lankester's case. The whole dirty cop thing is starting to make sense now..

 

[christine2448]

What is WPP??

I think I can safely say that NO, he would not have had the resources to do an identity change without help. I am starting to think as does his sister that his case is closely tied in with Stephen Lankester's case. The whole dirty cop thing is starting to make sense now..

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