Good points. So far though, it doesn't appear the allegations of the families blaming JW in various ways (cited in the links in my 1:37 pm post today) are part of a lawsuit. I guess things can always get worse but it's hard to imagine worse allegations than have been made (as in unprovable allegations that might still end up in a lawsuit.) JW has pretty much been called a liar, a longtime dealer of drugs, and a murderer in quotes reported by the press. Think those are reputation killers.
Maybe. I'm not quite that optimistic. As I said, I don't think JW did what the families have claimed but proving that would still be tricky IMO.
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You don't have to be a drug addict to take drugs. Lots of people use drugs recreationally and would never consider themselves 'addicts' just like regular drinkers don't consider themselves alcoholics. Both of those POV can be true. People who take drugs recreationally are just as likely as a hard core users to come in contact with bad drugs. Anyone who buys drugs like cocaine in this day and age are risking the fact the drug is tainted with fentanyl. I don't believe for a minute, that there was malign intent for any of these deaths. They gambled and they lost, as hard as that is to accept.BBM
I'm not sure how JW could possibly "prove" the families' allegations against him are untrue. Personally I do not believe he drugged his friends with knowingly tainted drugs, dragged their dying bodies outside into his fenced yard, posed one body in a chair, posed the other two bodies on the ground, and then went back inside and went to bed. I doubt there is any evidence he did any of those things. But how can he prove he didn't?
And I think the accusations are ridiculous that as "the chemist" he created custom drugs for friends in a lab during high school. He probably had one high school chemistry class. Maybe two. And he was supposed to be creating custom drugs in a secret lab before he continued his education at a small regional branch of the state university? (School choice suggests he probably wasn't a high school prodigy.) But how could he possibly prove those things didn't happen over 20 years ago? It's pretty difficult, if not impossible, to prove any negative, even one that supposedly happened a few months ago, but one from a few decades ago? .
Given what we know now, I can't imagine wrongful death suits against JW succeeding (assuming the civil trials were fair.) First the families denied the dead men ever did drugs. And then said the men may have taken drugs but they didn't "intend" to take drugs. (I can believe they didn't intend to take fentanyl although I don't see why they wouldn't know that could be in other drugs. And I do understand the families' denial but not their harsh and public blame of JW.) But with a wrongful death suit, we are apparently supposed to believe JW knowingly supplied tainted drugs and pressured the men to take them? And according to some family members, when it became apparent the drugs were bad, then dragged the fairly large dead or dying men outside to add hypothermia to the mix? Maybe he even planned to murder them because they saw something they shouldn't have? At least that's the way the harm has been spoken about by some of the families.
I'm also not sure anything goes for families to say because it's their opinion. I know opinions are shielded from defamation. But I always thought saying "I think he killed his wife" was an opinion whereas "He killed his wife" was a statement of fact & therefore possibly defamatory. Most of the families' statements appear to be statements of fact, at least the ones I've seen (unless the family members were misquoted.)
Of course, we've not heard directly from JW about a possible defamation lawsuit - we've heard from a purported "friend" of JW's. In contrast, we have heard allegations of murder and intentional killing aimed at JW directly by some family members and girlfriends.
MOO
Kansas City Chiefs fan found dead did not use drugs, was ‘murdered,’ longtime girlfriend says
“David was murdered,” Lorie Kruse said of her boyfriend of 17 years. “David wasn’t a drug addict like they’re talking about.”nypost.com
Parents of Chiefs fan found frozen to death alongside 2 friends in yard think trio was drugged, ‘dragged’ outside by scientist pal: ‘He concocted something’
Jordan Willis has denied through his attorney having anything to do with the mystery deaths.
'He's the chemist' Cousin of Chiefs fan found dead in backyard accuses Willis
Jordan Willis claims he slept for two days and was unaware that his three friends had frozen to death in his backyard.www.the-express.com
Police would have turned JW's house inside out looking for illegal drugs, traces of drugs, any evidence at all that there were drugs in the house or that drugs were used in the house; JW hasn't been arrested or listed as a person of interest. I won't speculate on his addiction issues.
Yes, this is the tragedy of the fentanyl epidemic. The number of people in this country dying from fentanyl poisoning on a daily basis is staggering. Based on the numbers below (150/day) that's 54,000 people dying every year in the US from fentanyl type overdose. I've seen 70,000 posted elsewhere.
Many state health departments provide fentanyl test strips for free. In several states you can obtain fentanyl test strips at no charge from the same places you can obtain free Narcan.
If they were all smokers maybe they went out to smoke? I am presuming there's a lot of minutiae regarding the tableau of their demise that has been related to the families and they choose not to publicize them because it doesn't fit with the narrative they are peddling. And I can understand it, from a point, when behaviors that are deemed negative by society put the deceaseds in a negative light.
When I went to a pharmacy to pick up a prescription a few weeks ago, there were fentanyl test strips available on a closeby counter, for free, with a one-sheet instruction paper.
That’s great! This is a big topic of discussion in the classes I teach. When I first started teaching the opioid education classes fentanyl test strips were seldom available, now we are seeing them more widely available.
JW works or worked from home, so i guess he could live someplace else and do his job.
Thank you for this! I don't know why this never crossed my mind.
Bolded by me.
Can you charge someone after death? There are possibilities other than living entities.
Where the drugs came from may be what the families want to know, but it's certainly not all they've said. For example, there have been some pretty nasty accusations about how they ended up in the backyard that go beyond the act of supplying the drugs.
nypost.com
Bbm.Where the drugs came from may be what the families want to know, but it's certainly not all they've said. For example, there have been some pretty nasty accusations about how they ended up in the backyard that go beyond the act of supplying the drugs.
Parents of Chiefs fan found frozen to death alongside 2 friends in yard think trio was drugged, ‘dragged’ outside by scientist pal: ‘He concocted something’
Jordan Willis has denied through his attorney having anything to do with the mystery deaths.
If it's known to LE one of the dead men supplied the drugs to the group, I wouldn't think that information would necessarily be made public. But in this case it may need to be IF that's what happened.
MOO
