NY - Ex-President Donald Trump, charged with 34 criminal counts of falsifying business records, Apr 2023, Trial 25 Mar 2024 #2

What an absolute shame this is.

I'm not a lawyer, or even an American. I'm merely a foreigner who is unusually nosey about the domestic politics of various countries that I don't live in (especially if the country in question is due to have an election soon!). Has Trump committed any crimes? IMO the likelihood of that is somewhere inbetween "maybe" and "probably."

But let's not kid ourselves. That's not the reason this is all happening.

This is not being done primarily out of concern that a man has committed crimes and that the victim(s) of these crimes need justice - it is being done because a politician who a lot of very powerful people do not like is in prime position to once again become the "most powerful man in the world" again in November.

As a nosey foreign election nerd may I just point out that already this year we have had national elections in Bangladesh and Pakistan where the main opposition leaders were either in jail or under house arrest at the time of the election? Is that really where you want to go America? Where if you win an election you get into the White House, but if you lose you go into the jail house?!

JMO IMO MOO etc
 
Breaking on @MSNBC:Trump attorney Todd Blanche asked who the DA's Office plans to call as their first three witnesses. Joshua Steinglass from office refused on the basis that Trump has been tweeting about them.Judge Merchan said he doesn't blame the DA's office. Blanche said Trump won't tweet about the witnesses — to which Merchan said Blanche can't promise that.Merchan refused to order the DA's office to name its first three witnesses.


5:35 PM · Apr 18, 2024
 
Now can I get on my soapbox that we need professional juries in this country? Were I this defendant, or any defendant on trial in front a jury, I'd want learned, experienced people who are compensated to be objective and know how to interpret and follow (and understand the intricacies of) the rule of law. Let me dream...
I'm not familiar with criminal trials but I think you can (usually? sometimes? always?) ask for a trial by judge instead of a jury. In theory, a judge would be informed on the rule of law.

It seems like that would be the way to go, with a bench trial and just a judge, if the issue was something that people could be emotional about in a way that would harm the defendant, when the technical facts of the law are in their favor.
 
Friday, April 19th:
*Jury Selection continues (Day 4) & Sandoval Hearing (@ 9:30am ET) – NY - *Donald John Trump (76/now 77) was indicted (3/30/23), formally arrested, charged & arraigned (4/4/23) with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the 1st degree & conspiracy in connection with hush money payments to two women [Stephanie Clifford aka adult actor Stormy Daniels & former Playboy model Karen McDougal] before the 2016 presidential election. Plead not guilty. Warrant vacated, released on own recognizance. New York County
New York: Submitting false invoices or checks. All 34 counts against Trump are felony charges (class E) instead of misdemeanors.
Trial began on 4/15/24 with jury selection. Trial expected to run 4 days a week. 12 jurors & 6 alternates to be selected.
Jury selection will run from 9.30am to around 4.30pm EST on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday (Judge has a separate commitment on Wednesdays).
Jury Selection Day 1 (4/15/24): 6. Day 2 (4/16/24): 1. Day 3 (4/18/24): 2 jurors removed. 7 selected & 1 alternate. Jurors selected: 12 & 1 alternate. [7 men & 5 women/Alternate: woman]. They include an English teacher, a sales professional, a software engineer & two lawyers].
New York Supreme Court Judge Juan Marchan presiding. Manhattan Attorney General Alvin Bragg. Prosecutors are Susan Hoffinger, Joshua Steinglass & Matthew Colangelo. Defense attorneys Todd Blanche, Emil Bove, Susan Necheles & Gedalia Stern.
Trump is required to attend each day in person — although the judge could grant permission for special absences. Trump has vowed to attend court during the day & travel to campaign events at night— a schedule he also kept up during the defamation trial ahead of the New Hampshire primary, though his current campaign schedule is about one or two events a week.

Investigation & court info from 3/30/23 thru 4/12/24 & Jury Selection Days 1-2 (4/15 & 4/16/24) reference post #689 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...s-apr-2023-trial-25-mar-2024-2.673176/page-35

4/18/24 Thursday, Jury Selection Day 3: *Judge Merchan announced that Juror #2, the nurse who announced "no one is above the law," expressed concerns about her ability to be fair, after being sworn in on Tuesday. She's brought into the courtroom: Juror #2: "I definitely have concerns now." [...] "Yesterday alone, I had friends, colleagues & family push things to my phone, questioning my identity as a juror. "She is excused. Judge Merchan: "I’m directing that the press simply apply common sense & refrain from simply writing about anything that involves physical descriptions" about jurors. Juror #2 is excused.
*Prosecution ADA Chris Conroy handed up to Judge Merchan a NEW order to show cause as to why Trump should not be held in contempt of court for his latest social media posts. ADA Conroy: “Since you signed the last order that we handed up on Monday, the defendant has violated the order seven more times.” ADA Conroy: “It’s ridiculous, it has to stop.” Judge signs the Order to show cause & does not make an immediate ruling, saying he will wait for a hearing on the prosecution’s request for contempt sanctions over Trump’s posts scheduled for 23 April.
*Before the new panel of potential jurors entered the courtroom, Judge Merchan said he had concerns about one of the selected jurors & how truthfully the person had answered questions. Judge Merchan noted that he had instructed the man to come to court this morning to answer questions & verify whether the people involved were him or his relative. He noted the juror’s apparent “reluctance to come in” & asked both sides if they would consent to having him removed without further inquiry. Trump lawyer Todd Blanche declined, saying he wanted to first hear from the man before deciding to dismiss him. Juror 4, who prosecutors noted may have misrepresented himself when answering the juror questionnaire earlier this week, was brought back into the courtroom. The conversation concluded and the juror was escorted from the room. The judge has made no immediate decision on the juror. Judge Merchan said the juror, a man, was unhappy at how much information had been publicized about him. The judge is now engaged in conversation with the lawyers. Juror 4 has been excused, meaning that two jurors have been withdrawn today. There are now five seated jurors remaining.
*96 return on Thursday morning for another round of jury selection. From the current panel of 96 prospective jurors, 48 were excused after saying they could not be fair & impartial in the case, per pool. Another nine were excused for other reasons without explanation. [39 left]
*12 New Yorkers were selected & sworn in as jurors. And while jury selection isn’t done quite yet – the process still needs to yield 6 alternates & only one was selected – the movement puts the trial itself within reach. Judge Merchan reiterated that he hoped opening statements could take place 4/22/24, Monday morning. We have 7 men & 6 women.
For more info see post #698 (page 35) & 725 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...s-apr-2023-trial-25-mar-2024-2.673176/page-37
Jury selection continues on Friday, 4/19/24.

*Sandoval hearing on Friday, 4/19/24.
*Judge Merchan has outlined the next steps for prosecutors’ request to have Trump held in contempt over several social media posts about witnesses in the trial. The judge said he would have a hearing on the issue on Tuesday, 4/23/24 @ 9:30am. Trump’s attorneys have a 19 April deadline to submit a written response. Trump was served with this Order in court.
 
Update on Jurors:

Updated April 19, 2024

Juror No. 1 is a middle-aged salesman who immigrated to the United States from Ireland. He lives in West Harlem and said he normally gets his news from the New York Times, Daily Mail, Fox News and MSNBC. In his spare time, he said he enjoys doing "anything outdoorsy." He's married & has no children & his spouse is studying in school.

Juror No. 2 The second juror is a Hell's Kitchen resident who works in investment banking. He holds a master's degree in business administration & lives with his wife. Some of his news sources include X (formerly Twitter) & Truth Social & he follows reporting on topics such as Trump, Michael Cohen & the wars in Ukraine & Israel. He also indicated that while he has not read the former president's 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, he has seen quotes.

Juror No. 3 is a corporate attorney who moved to New York from Oregon five years ago. He has worked at two major white-shoe law firms in New York. He said he normally gets his news from The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Google. In his spare time, he said he enjoys hiking and running.

Juror No. 4 a male who has lived in the West Village for 15 years, is originally from California. He has worked as a security engineer for 25 years, has some college education & is married to a teacher, with whom he shares two children. He told the court that he is not on social media & previously served on a jury while living on the West Coast, although he was not able to recall the verdict of the case.

Juror No. 5 a resident of Harlem who currently works as an ELA teacheer at a charter school. She previously worked as a caseworker in juvenile delinquency & holds a master's degree in education. She is not married, has no children & told the court that she uses TikTok & Google. She was also not aware that Trump is facing additional criminal charges outside of the Manhattan case. A life-long New Yorker, she currently works as an ELA teacher in a charter school and lives in Harlem. She normally gets her news from Google and TikTok but said that she "doesn't really care for the news."

Juror No. 6 is a software engineer who works for the Walt Disney Company, which is the parent company of ABC News. She grew up in New York City & lives in Chelsea with three roommates. She said she gets her news from The New York Times and TikTok. In her spare time, she said she enjoys plays, restaurants, dancing, & watching TV. She is unmarried, has no kids & lives with three roommates: one who works in consulting, another in fundraising at a nonprofit, and a fellow software engineer.

Juror No. 7 lives on the Upper East Side of Manhattan & is originally from North Carolina. He works in civil litigation & is married to a woman who works in risk management at a bank. They share two children & his news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post & The Washington Post.

Juror No. 8 has lived on the Upper East Side for over 40 years & is originally form Lebanon. He is retired from his job in wealth management, is married & has two children. He was previously selected to serve on a jury but the case was settled before trial began. His news sources include The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNBC & the BBC.

Juror No. 9 is a female who has lived on the Upper East Side for three years. She is originally from New Jersey, has a master's degree & has worked as a speech therapist for five years. She is unmarried, has no children & told the court that she does not watch or read any news outlets closely. She does subscribe to a handful of morning email newsletters, such as CNN's 5 Things & The New York Times' The Morning Newsletter. She uses social media but does not get her news from it.

Juror No. 10 has lived in Murray Hill for six years but was born & raised in Ohio. He works at an eyewear company in commerce, holds a college degree & lives with another adult, who is an accountant. He does not closely follow the news but will occasionally read The New York Times.

Juror No. 11 has lived in Upper Manhattan for 15 years & is originally from California. She is not married & has worked as a product development manager for 20 years. She has no children & told the court that she watches late-night news. She also uses Google & reads industry-specific news outlets.

Juror No. 12 is an Upper East Side resident who has lived in Manhattan for 2 1/2 years. She has previously lived in Minnesota, South Carolina & North Carolina & has worked as a physical therapist for 15 years. She holds a doctorate degree in physical therapy, is married & has no children. Her spouse is a coach for a professional sports team & her news sources include The New York Times, USA Today & CNN.

Alternate No. 1 lives in East Midtown. She grew up in England & Hong Kong & is an analyst for an asset manager. She holds a college degree & lives with her boyfriend, who is self-employed. Her news sources include The Wall Street Journal & The New York Times.

So it looks to me - so far - 7 men & 6 women
 
Now can I get on my soapbox that we need professional juries in this country? Were I this defendant, or any defendant on trial in front a jury, I'd want learned, experienced people who are compensated to be objective and know how to interpret and follow (and understand the intricacies of) the rule of law. Let me dream...

But this is exactly why we never want professional jurors. Can you imagine if the government in power were the ones to provide the training? There would never be a way to judge the law itself.

We need jurors from the general population because they judge not only the accused, but also the law. At some point, they might let an accused go, not because the person is innocent, but because the law is wrong. We need that to come from ordinary people or the law would be completely contained within a powerful group which has no accountability other than itself.

I don't think that worrying about a rouge juror is a big concern in Trump's trial. The jury system has been around for a long time and jurors are pretty good at taking their role seriously, focusing on the evidence, and setting aside any emotional baggage that they may bring with them. A good judge will help them focus on their task. There is a significant, 45 page screening process before they ever get to be selected. Someone who is lying in order to be selected will surely be tossed aside by both the prosecution and the defence because neither side will know why they are lying.

When jurors are simply asked if they can make an impartial decision free of bias or prejudice, then the prospective juror would have to be a pathological liar for them to be accepted by both sides if the juror had a strong ulterior motive.

I have faith in the jury system. It's not perfect, but it is very good and absolutely essential for the protection of our democratic society.
 
Here are a few articles I will be using for my notes! :)



 

Another juror excused because of anxiety​


Kayla Epstein
Reporting from court
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Donald Trump is at his most attentive right now. He turns his body in his seat as he watches his lawyer, Susan Necheles, question the jurors.

And he listens as yet another potential alternate juror says that, after hearing the questions, she is feeling anxiety and self-doubt.

She asks to speak to the judge, and after they talk, he excuses her.

This is the third person today to get dismissed because they told Justice Merchan they felt anxiety about the case.

 

The shifting moods of Trump​

Kayla Epstein
Reporting from court

When jurors answer questions about themselves and their personal lives, Donald Trump either follows along with the questionnaire or leans back in his seat, looking, frankly, a bit bored.

But as the potential alternate jurors start to discuss how they feel about Trump, his posture changes.

He physically turns in his seat to face them, and leans forward as he listens.

[…]

 
A person just self-immolated outside Manhattan court, where Trump trial underway. Police slow to respond in part because of barricades around park

Should have posted a graphic warning, very scary, active scene. Did not hear him say anything before he dosed himself with a fluid. Cannot read from here what his colored cards say. He was responsive when he was removed but he is very, very badly burned. Body charred.

 
A person just self-immolated outside Manhattan court, where Trump trial underway. Police slow to respond in part because of barricades around park

Should have posted a graphic warning, very scary, active scene. Did not hear him say anything before he dosed himself with a fluid. Cannot read from here what his colored cards say. He was responsive when he was removed but he is very, very badly burned. Body charred.

I unfortunately saw this live before the reporter yelled turn the camera.
 

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