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Drug connection with Natalee and Beth??:banghead: Renee Gielen's theory?:banghead:
just quizing.... :croc:
Drug connection with Natalee and Beth??:banghead: Renee Gielen's theory?:banghead:
Drug connection with Natalee and Beth??:banghead: Renee Gielen's theory?:banghead:
OK.. to unreals...so you are saying that Stephany is an aftermath??? (so to speak) I think I remember you saying that there was some sort of drug connection with Beth through Natalee??? am I remembering this right???
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I'm having a tough time with this statement on a few levels.
1. The coroner has fixed a time and date of death no? It's only fair a defense attorney could question this at trial.
2. If the standard of proof for homicide required is a video camera be present in order for conviction, we'd all be doomed.
3. Jorans flight out of the country that morning while taking Stephanys jeep in the beginning.
4. We know when Joran left the Hotel and took flight, he was captured with Stephanys blood in his possession. Are you saying this is mis-information also?
5. Joran trying to change his appearance before being captured.
6. Jorans changing stories.
So you see, it's not just one thing that convinces me, it's an accumulation of things. Even if one removed the confession and video camera from the crime, I'd still think he was guilty. IMO
Next come the forensics.
Without seeing some decent photos of the crime sceneLots of great questions. I'm not much into a conspiracy theory, but I do believe someone was keeping close tabs on JVS -- whether that was the FBI, local LE, or a private investigator. Remember, he's been duped in the past by "friends" who actually turned out to be reporters.
I don't like the scenario I'm now hearing from the receptionist. It doesn't ring true to me. Yes, I'd like to see the video of the receptionist going into a room at midnight. If they wanted to know if he came back and just didn't see him, why didn't they rewind the tape to see for themselves? Also, why send the receptionist. The manager should have gone to the room (IMHO).
Another thing, is when he first notices the camera. It's an Oh shi* moment. Like he hadn't noticed it before. Was that camera placed there in anticipation of his arrival (boy, I'd really like to know that).
Maybe I'm just getting bits and pieces and it's not fitting for me -- but something is off.
On another note, I'm watching NG, and one of the talking heads was talking about nose bleeds. Not to get too offensive, but my dad suffers from nosebleeds, and has to often go to the hosptal. Left untreated, and lying unconcious on the floor, the blood will flow into the throat, and you can actually drown.
Yet, from what I can tell, the head was down, meaning the blood would drain onto the side of her face, or directly on the floor. This would explain why there was so much blood. I bet JVS wasn't quite expecting that!
Thanks for letting me think out loud. And of course, all of this is MOO.
Best,
Mel
Every case has mistakes, early misreporting, etc. No one expects the authorities in Peru to be perfect. However, in this case there have no consistencies whatsoever, about any aspect of this investigation at all, other than the seemingly undeniable fact that Joran did leave the hotel Sunday morning. When you combine all these sloppy errors in reporting on the crime scene, if they were errors, with the horrible reputation of the Peruvian police and justice system, then I can't see how anyone interested in justice can trust any of the "facts" being reported.
I saw the same thing - these must be forensic labels/notes. I also thought I saw a large bruise but theThis article has a photo of JVDS's medical check-up when he was first turned over from Chile to the Peruvian Interpol. The doctor (?) is holding up a note along his shoulder near his neck. I remember seeing a similar photo taken from behind him, where she's holding a note toward the back of his neck...but I haven't been able to locate that one...does anyone have a link to it??
Perhaps this is indicating scratches on his neck, where SF might have tried to grab him or push him away as he was strangling her.
http://www.newser.com/story/92203/van-der-sloot-jailed-on-murder-charges.html
Just my opinion, as always. :innocent:
Peruvian Government.... If your reading this.....Kick his happy a$$ to the curb... yup...drop the charges and let him run....set him free as a bird into the civilians... We have all seen on how much they want him...
It wasn't published by CBS with the original batch of crime scene photos. I found it later by tracing the URL of these photos (a techique I learned here from one of our fabulous sleuthers!!).
It's posted in the media thread...but mis-labelled as 'torso' photo (cause that's what I thought it was when I found it):
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Stephany Flores Ramirez Media Links and Images **NO DISCUSSION**
With all the changing aspects of the crime scene, and apparently inaccurate information coming from the medical examiner, I have very little confidence that the official time of death can be completely trusted.
But I'm curious- are you saying that, if the video tape showed someone else entering Joran's room after he left, and before Stephany's body was discovered, that it wouldn't exonerate him? At the very least, it would mean the person entering the room covered up her death, wouldn't it?
To me, that video tape evidence would trump everything else.
and I like you, was frustrated by the "facts" that the English /American reporters where "reporting".. Every reporter was out for the almighty buck to see who could get the stories out first... As I said earlier, is was beyond sloppy reporting which pi$$ed alot of us off here.. Many arguements happened over the "idiots" trying to get their story out first...
But, as you said yourself, that you are more into Natalee's disappearance anyways... right?? Which brings me back to why do you think she disappeared?? You seem to think Beth had everything to do with it..?? Does she?? and why???
I would love to see what JVDS would do with a "camel spider" crawling on him in the middle of the night... Thats what my son has to deal with in Afghanistan...and he's a good guy... A rat would be a joke to my son... If you got a sec. google a camel spider..eewwwww....
Very good, communication between shifts is a very big issue. Not unlike these forums we read. I leave for a day and come back to another 15 pages of post to read through. Sometimes I have and take the time, other times not so much.
BBM: I've already thrown that armed robber story out of my mind. In the photos, you can see that Stephany has a gold ring on and a nice looking watch. Why would they want her cash, car, and credit card numbers only. And where are these robbers on the video tapes!
And I thought there was a photo published in the media thread showing the white shirt with black buttons. That's not the same shirt she was wearing when she walked in -- but looks a lot like JVS's.
MOO
Mel
It's not that I'm more into Natalee's disappearance, but I did research it for quite a while and was in the midst of writing a book about it when the murder in Peru occured. Yes, I believe Beth had a lot to do with Natalee disappearing, and I don't mean that she directly caused it through foul play. I bear no animosity towards Beth, but she was a crucial part of what happened, and I believe in telling the truth.
One of the few true notes emanating from the Nancy Grace/JVM/Geraldo genre of gotcha/sensationlist "journalism" came the other night, when Jane Velez Mitchell stated, on her show, that many crimes come from a desperate effort to contain a secret.
I know I'm in a small minority, but unless it is verified, by someone I trust, that the video tape from that security camera shows no one else entering that room after Joran leaves, until the receptionist who discovered the body, then I will continue to strongly suspect that he was framed.
The photos are pretty 'galvanising' aren't they. They threw me straight back into reality. Suddenly it's like 'NO! this is totally sick' he can never be let out of prison etc.....that poor poor girl.
RIP Stefany.