Sidebar Discussion #2

[bayouland]

*sings* Can't we all just get along?

I really don't want to see the sidebar get shut down. Yes, we can relax here, but for serious discussion it should go to the proper threads. That's why there are specific threads for specific topics. This is supposed to be a thread where we relax and chitchat, not have serious discussions. It's why it's the sidebar and not called the head on bar or the serious bar, LOL.

Let's all have a drink and be merry, shall we? Peace!

That sounds good. Logical girl, please post us some Canadian Thanksgiving food and spirit pics!!! (I don't know how to post pictures).

Yum yum.

 

[logicalgirl]

*sings* Can't we all just get along?

I really don't want to see the sidebar get shut down. Yes, we can relax here, but for serious discussion it should go to the proper threads. That's why there are specific threads for specific topics. This is supposed to be a thread where we relax and chitchat, not have serious discussions. It's why it's the sidebar and not called the head on bar or the serious bar, LOL.

Let's all have a drink and be merry, shall we? Peace!

I'll drink to that! Raise your glasses - Happy Canadian Thanksgiving Peeps!

:cautionDrunk: ..:toastred: .. :jester: .. :tipsy: .. :needdrink: and for Strawberry - her very own party from me.... :cupcake: .. :great:

 

[logicalgirl]

That sounds good. Logical girl, please post us some Canadian Thanksgiving food and spirit pics!!! (I don't know how to post pictures).

Yum yum.

Oh Oh - I only posted the booze!!!!! Canadian Thanksgiving looks just like American .... :woohoo:

 

[Salem]

WARNING: Lay off the molestation discussion. There was never ANY evidence to support these contentions. Never. Molestation is a serious charge that will follow a person for the rest of his/her life, whether true or not. And they will impact every part of a person's life.

WS said a long, long time ago, because of FCA's constant and continual lying and fantasy life and absolutely no supporting evidence, comments or MSM articles, etc. to support such charges, the discussion is off the table.

So stop. No more warnings. You guys know the rules. You can discuss FCA's guilt or innocence all day long - that's okay. But lay off the molestation charges unless you pull out some FACTS to support the theory. And dysfunctional family is not going to get it unless you are verified professional poster with experience in a related field.

Salem

 

[bayouland]

Oh Oh - I only posted the booze!!!!! Canadian Thanksgiving looks just like American .... :woohoo:

With all that booze, we don't need food!!!!!:woohoo:

 

[pcrum12]

Respectfully, everyone is entitled to their own opinion here. Websleuths says so!

Hypothetically if a protestant attends an all catholic church and keeps shoving their ideology in others faces, then they should not feel offended when the catholics reject it.

There are many opinions here and most do not agree with your position. If you choose to keep presenting it, that is your right and also ours to reject it outright.


JMO.

I find myself defending myself because someone asked me a question. I wasn't shoving anything at anyone by simply answering said question. And never felt offended until another poster did exactly what you are accusing me of, shoving their opinion as the only opinion allowed on the thread. And again, I have no problem with anyone having their own opinion and rejecting mine. However, I think I'm entitled to same.

 

[logicalgirl]

That sounds good. Logical girl, please post us some Canadian Thanksgiving food and spirit pics!!! (I don't know how to post pictures).

Yum yum.

SHHHH - neither do I......:giggle:

 

[chefmom]

Here's some afternoon food to put us all in a merry mood and help LG celebrate her Thanksgiving!

The green jello is for Kimster. (She's got a raygun, ya know!)

 

[2goldfish]

Sidebar, shmidebar! I wanna talk about BIGFOOT!

is this close enough for you? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-grey-coloured-hair-remote-Russian-cave.html

Yeti hunters claim to have discovered 'indisputable proof' of the fabled beast after grey hair was found in a remote Russian cave.

Researchers who led an international expedition in search of the Abominable Snowman said that they are closer than ever to catching one the creatures.

 

[wonders]

I'm hungry! Pass the potatos and gravy please.

 

[logicalgirl]

Here's some afternoon food to put us all in a merry mood and help LG celebrate her Thanksgiving!

The green jello is for Kimster. (She's got a raygun, ya know!)

LOL chefmom - and too funny for the Kimster!! Umm..the pig...well:great:

Thank you thank you thank you cause yummy!

 

[pcrum12]

There is no secrecy surrounding Caylee's paternity, and because of DNA testing we know for sure no male family member contributed to her DNA. The issue is that OCA had enough different sexual partners during that two week period that she neither remembers who they were or how many there were. She admitted as much to one of her friends. A secret is only a secret when you know the answer. If you don't know the answer, it's a mystery.

okay, I'll give you that - it's a mystery. However, just because it was found that no family member was the father doesn't mean that the family KNEW that no family member was the father. Heck they didn't even want to know she was pregnant til over 7 months, lol. I don't recall a friend stating that Casey didn't know but even if one did, doesn't mean it's true. The friend could be lying or even Casey could have lied to the friend. Of course, you could be right as well. However, at this point it's still a secret and/or mystery within the family. JMO.

 

[2goldfish]

I miss thanksgiving, yall. they dont do it over here. I'm not only a vegetarian, I've never cooked a turkey in my life (my momma always done it :floorlaugh AND my oven is smaller than a shoebox!

 

[PeteyGirl]

Thanks for the kind words. I do agree that these signs can be fitting to more diagnosis than just molestation/sexual abuse. And I also agree that my POV may be skewed because of my history. However, the secrecy around Caylee's paternity has always been a hinky one. All the secrets and lies (classic sign of incest in the home). As for proof, didn't expect there to be any. As is the case with most incest cases. Most are hidden way past any proof stage (physical evidence) and most victims don't tell or tell slight variations of the truth as to assailant. JMO. I know I did. I actually told a boyfriend first but told him it was my cousin not the real perp. Later it was revealed to my mother that first didn't believe it and then made excuses for it lol. My perp was never reported to authorities for fear of humiliating the family and my mother stayed with him. Sound familiar? Thank God my child didn't accidently drown (what an awful thought) or I may have been a topic of webslueths way before Casey. Not at all being snarkey just trying to lighten the topic with not much success lol. Now I'll drop the topic for I know it's really really not liked on this forum. Only reason to bring it up was in response to another posters question. That happens occassionally where I'm asked what leads me to believe this or that and the only way to honestly answer is to bring this up again. All just my own opinion based on my personal experience and knowledge of this case.

I agree with you that incest is in the Top Five (remember Family Feud?) most likely scenarios. And your personal experience (so sad ) must really underscore how convincing it is.

Logicalgirl said it already, that the generalized hinkiness that's OBVIOUS in the Anthony family is attributable to other scenarios, and you know what, the scenario that we individually "prefer" naturally harks back to our own personal experiences.

My personal experiences were not incest, at least the physical kind of incest. My father has a personality disorder and a few mood disorders as well, he was and is a mistake of human evolution.

I see, in the Anthony family, the "origins" of the hinkiness in psychopathology, a deeply narcissistic mother (CA), her darling sociopathic daughter KC, and the practically invisible Lee and castrated George.

Incest is not always "physical", it is also emotional and psychological and may no have sexual overtones at all. Incest is gross violation of interpersonal boundaries. Whether we are aware of them or not, the sanctity of a persons boundaries is implicit in all one's behaviors, attitudes, responses. To everything

So I see in the Anthony family shades of the violations that occurred in my own family.

This is why Baez is SUCH a turd. He knew how the "incest" thing would grab folks by the shorthairs. Whether we suffered from it ourselves or not, 99% of people have a visceral rage when the very idea of it comes up. We stop thinking and start reacting with disgust and desire to rescue.

I have not been convinced of the incest issue at all, in this family. But that's beside the point, because I did not directly witness incest or not-incest, you know?

I do not believe that even if KC was molested by her father that it RESULTED in her behavior after Caylee "drowned", there is no logical progression there, just shorthair pulling. Just knee-jerk rage reaction. It does not make SENSE. It does not "follow". Especially, it must "follow" in a court of law. What you and I decide or think about in the privacy of our own lives is fine, but in a court of law there MUST be logical inference.

To me, this is the primary failure of this jury. That they were easily led by shocking emotionalism, and then (by their own words) they had to backtrack and make excuses for their decision and thus, whether the Pinellas 12 really do lack native intelligence, it sure SOUNDED like it.

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

 

[logicalgirl]

WARNING: Lay off the molestation discussion. There was never ANY evidence to support these contentions. Never. Molestation is a serious charge that will follow a person for the rest of his/her life, whether true or not. And they will impact every part of a person's life.

WS said a long, long time ago, because of FCA's constant and continual lying and fantasy life and absolutely no supporting evidence, comments or MSM articles, etc. to support such charges, the discussion is off the table.

So stop. No more warnings. You guys know the rules. You can discuss FCA's guilt or innocence all day long - that's okay. But lay off the molestation charges unless you pull out some FACTS to support the theory. And dysfunctional family is not going to get it unless you are verified professional poster with experience in a related field.

Salem

Bumping Salem's very recent post - c'mon peeps!

 

[chefmom]

I miss thanksgiving, yall. they dont do it over here. I'm not only a vegetarian, I've never cooked a turkey in my life (my momma always done it :floorlaugh AND my oven is smaller than a shoebox!

Here's a veggie version just for you!

 

[logicalgirl]

okay, I'll give you that - it's a mystery. However, just because it was found that no family member was the father doesn't mean that the family KNEW that no family member was the father. Heck they didn't even want to know she was pregnant til over 7 months, lol. I don't recall a friend stating that Casey didn't know but even if one did, doesn't mean it's true. The friend could be lying or even Casey could have lied to the friend. Of course, you could be right as well. However, at this point it's still a secret and/or mystery within the family. JMO.

PLEASE Note Salem's post #404 - let's all stay "safe" out here.

 

[LinasK]

I agree with you that incest is in the Top Five (remember Family Feud?) most likely scenarios. And your personal experience (so sad ) must really underscore how convincing it is.

Logicalgirl said it already, that the generalized hinkiness that's OBVIOUS in the Anthony family is attributable to other scenarios, and you know what, the scenario that we individually "prefer" naturally harks back to our own personal experiences.

My personal experiences were not incest, at least the physical kind of incest. My father has a personality disorder and a few mood disorders as well, he was and is a mistake of human evolution.

I see, in the Anthony family, the "origins" of the hinkiness in psychopathology, a deeply narcissistic mother (CA), her darling sociopathic daughter KC, and the practically invisible Lee and castrated George.

Incest is not always "physical", it is also emotional and psychological and may no have sexual overtones at all. Incest is gross violation of interpersonal boundaries. Whether we are aware of them or not, the sanctity of a persons boundaries is implicit in all one's behaviors, attitudes, responses. To everything

So I see in the Anthony family shades of the violations that occurred in my own family.

This is why Baez is SUCH a turd. He knew how the "incest" thing would grab folks by the shorthairs. Whether we suffered from it ourselves or not, 99% of people have a visceral rage when the very idea of it comes up. We stop thinking and start reacting with disgust and desire to rescue.

I have not been convinced of the incest issue at all, in this family. But that's beside the point, because I did not directly witness incest or not-incest, you know?

I do not believe that even if KC was molested by her father that it RESULTED in her behavior after Caylee "drowned", there is no logical progression there, just shorthair pulling. Just knee-jerk rage reaction. It does not make SENSE. It does not "follow". Especially, it must "follow" in a court of law. What you and I decide or think about in the privacy of our own lives is fine, but in a court of law there MUST be logical inference.

To me, this is the primary failure of this jury. That they were easily led by shocking emotionalism, and then (by their own words) they had to backtrack and make excuses for their decision and thus, whether the Pinellas 12 really do lack native intelligence, it sure SOUNDED like it.

Exactly! I too have been a victim of molestation by a close relative when I was a girl, and for that reason started to give Casey the benefit of the doubt regarding it possibly happening to her, UNTIL I heard the opening statements. The graphic descriptions were for shock & awe value only! Baez had no problem throwing George under the bus. That's immediately when I knew it was all a lie, and Casey had never been molested!

 

[logicalgirl]

I miss thanksgiving, yall. they dont do it over here. I'm not only a vegetarian, I've never cooked a turkey in my life (my momma always done it :floorlaugh AND my oven is smaller than a shoebox!

I spent a year in the UK and remember the scrambling and the :waitasec: to try to get a dinner together! :great:

I think the butcher must have gone out to the New Forest and shot the darn wild turkey himself it was so gamey!:floorlaugh: