Theories #1: What Happened to Jennifer Kesse?

[liz b.]

Yes, I have linked both the podcast and the sidebar episode where it was discussed, plus added transcripts.

It seems to be the conclusion of Mr. Gurd that he, himself, did not know how Mr. Kesse knew about the knock or what time it occurred.

I have listened to everyone of the Unconcluded podcast episodes more than once.

If you know of one that has given additional information on the knock on Jennifer's door--ie, that it was Rob she was talking to at the time--I am respectfully asking you to link it.

Please and thanks.

Would be great if we could just ask Mr. Kesse.

 

[Shin Masamura]

That's hogwash! OPD told this to Drew Kesse from day 1. Why would they compromise their own investigation? Drew also stated this in multiple interviews with Gretta and others on TV. I mean if her cell phone wasn't ON then it was OFF. It went right to voice mail when Rob, her Manager at CFI and the Kesse's called her that morning. You need 8 hours without a Ping from a cell phone to get dumped directly into voicemail. And remember she wouldn't turn her cell phone off herself and so she definitely didn't leave her condo without it ON. The only way that cell phone leaves her condo is if it's ON and with her and that window is 9:57PM to 10:40PM, most likely the former.

Sorry friend, I've been following this case for years and was to believe this was the case as well. It wasn't until the Unconcluded podcast which the Joyce Kesse states this is not facts nor was she told this. Is this a downplay or something else, I don't know. Not sure of the vitriol. Just stating what I heard from studying this case. Later I will link the pages of people discussing this when this was made available..

 

[Shin Masamura]

Contacted someone in the discussion group for Unconcluded. Episode for Joyce's audio on the 10:40 issue.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5969731-endpoints Again, not sure if its a legal thing, or miss information.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Sorry friend, I've been following this case for years and was to believe this was the case as well. It wasn't until the Unconcluded podcast which the Joyce Kesse states this is not facts nor was she told this. Is this a downplay or something else, I don't know. Not sure of the vitriol. Just stating what I heard from studying this case. Later I will link the pages of people discussing this when this was made available..

My apologies for jumping in, but I still believe there is actually something to this ping study business and the final event of both cell phones occurring at the same time, or nearly the same time.

I say this with nothing but the greatest respect for Mr. and Mrs. Kesse who pursue a morning abduction theory.

As far as law enforcement seeming to back away from the accuracy of the ping study in later years--in my opinion, I think they want to lean toward a show of unity with the Kesses.

If a miracle happened and charges were laid against a perpetrator in a court of law, I'd be willing to bet we would hear more about the "unreliable, basically garbage" ping study.

At that point, though, I don't think it would be considered as such.

Contacted someone in the discussion group for Unconcluded. Episode for Joyce's audio on the 10:40 issue.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5969731-endpoints Again, not sure if its a legal thing, or miss information.

I'm wondering if you have listened to the following episode from the Unconcluded podcast--Going Forward, released September 25, 2017.

There are parts of it unclear to me, but I have attempted a very unofficial transcript. All errors are my own, for which I apologize. I have linked the podcast at the bottom and encourage everyone to listen for themselves.

@ 8:49 minutes in:
. . .

Mr. Kesse: I do want to clarify one thing concerning the cell phones. I really want to—I’ve gotten down to the bottom of everything and I’m comfortable with what has happened with that, and if I could just straighten that out right now—‘cause it always seems to be a core of controversy.

And it has been with us, too, honestly.

So, if I can just straighten the—when the cell phones were turned off and the ping study and what-have-you—I’d liked to really straighten that out; and to maybe get people just not to look at the ping study anymore because really we just [unclear].

At any rate, when we had the ping study, we were brought into a room with the law enforcement and they explained to us basically, quote, unquote, that, really, Mr. and Mrs. Kesse, you didn’t know your daughter.

She was out up here in a bad area [unclear].

So we looked at the ping study and we’re sitting there and none of the pings made sense to me. I’m just a stupid guy. And none of them made sense to me. Well, how could she be down south and 30 seconds later she is 20 miles north. Out here and over there.

And I’m like, you can’t go by that. This is not good. Obviously it’s not good. Anybody who knows—who just looks at it—knows it’s not good.

Well, no, this is how it was.

And within that conversation, I was told that at a certain point the phones were not powered down, but either destroyed or batteries physically taken out. And I was told the time—and I think the time was somewhere between 10:40 and—10:20 and 10:40 PM on the 23rd; the night before we reported Jennifer missing.

And there has been a lot of controversy; a lot of anxiety over the years of, well, is it at night or is it in the morning? Is it at night or is it in the morning?

And up until, honestly, only probably maybe two [unclear] having a family discussion, it kind of came up again. And I think it was really because of the show. And I have—first of all Logan wasn’t even in the [unclear].

But I have a totally, I guess, different view point of that meeting than anyone else had because I remember being told directly what happened and at what time.

And it seems between that time which was [unclear] maybe even 10 years ago now that conversation took place. Maybe even 11 years, actually.

They’ve walked back on that. And everything I’ve been able to ascertain even in the last couple of weeks that I’ve stuck my neck out—not neck—but stuck my head out; asked some questions here, there and everywhere.

They really don’t know when that phone was turned off because the ping study is absolutely no good.

I was able to actually get someone at law enforcement to get Verizon specialists to look at the ping study [unclear].

And the Verizon specialist said you can’t go by this; you might as well just [unclear] it out because it’s obvious what’s happening here—it’s pinging all over the place. It doesn’t know—I can’t tell you where that phone was from this ping study. It just doesn’t.

And people have to remember, this is infant—not infancy—but, you know, it’s only 10 years into cell phone life. There is no Facebook; texting was still the old, you had to hit one, two, or three on the buttons for a, b and c. [unclear]

There was no Google Earth [unclear]

So, over the years, honestly, something that I have always believed, comes to be just we can’t believe it because the ping study is so unreliable that it is basically garbage.

So I want to get that out there and straighten that out that don’t worry about the ping study accuracy [unclear]

And we talked to Horizon in the past [unclear]

You know, you know—which ping is right?

You know, out of maybe 11 pings that they show—which ping is right? I can’t tell you which ping is right. [unclear]

So, [unclear] has been because of that ping study. But I think it’s a lot of heart ache in my head and heart that the ping study is just out. We shouldn’t believe anything of it.

I really wanted to get that out there because a lot of time is spent on that sometimes on line and what-have-you. It’s just not worth it. Absolutely. And we can’t use that.
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https://audioboom.com/posts/6334818-going-forward

 

[Shin Masamura]

I did follow that episode, to be clear I do believe the 10:40 theory, its just after hearing both accounts.. its not concrete and just pointing that out. I think its a major fact that needs to be handled with an open mind because we want to keep all possiblities open. Much like the last episode when a coworker said the person that filed a complaint against the manager in question was the actual stalker.. Never thought of it, doesnt remove the manager but adds another suspect that maybe LE didn't vet.. and makes more sense why LE didnt pursue the manager..

 

[kudo623]

Thanks for that post Truth Prevails.
As far as I'm aware, the more cell phone pings the better. That is to say if you have several cell towers vying to "administer" a cell phone (pings) then you can better triangulate an area where the phone is physically located.

 

[kudo623]

Sorry friend, I've been following this case for years and was to believe this was the case as well. It wasn't until the Unconcluded podcast which the Joyce Kesse states this is not facts nor was she told this. Is this a downplay or something else, I don't know. Not sure of the vitriol. Just stating what I heard from studying this case. Later I will link the pages of people discussing this when this was made available..

Just to follow-up on your comment. I am not interested in the "Unconcluded" Podcasts because its not an Official dissemination of the facts about this case. I have heard several podcasts already and have come to the conclusion that, although its well intended, its not cold hard fact, neither is it done professionally because I have heard a lot of conflicting information generated there-- As you said what you may have previously thought was "gospel truth" about this case for 12 years has been all of a sudden shot down. I don't buy that and I don't think you should either.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Just to follow-up on your comment. I am not interested in the "Unconcluded" Podcasts because its not an Official dissemination of the facts about this case. I have heard several podcasts already and have come to the conclusion that, although its well intended, its not cold hard fact, neither is it done professionally because I have heard a lot of conflicting information generated there-- As you said what you may have previously thought was "gospel truth" about this case for 12 years has been all of a sudden shot down. I don't buy that and I don't think you should either.

Oh my gosh, I have to give this a double thanks; maybe even a triple thanks.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now they are going to start from scratch, yet again, this time under the vise of collecting a little cash for reports released under the freedom of information act--which are all totally redacted according to the Kesses.

Money, money, exploitation, money, money.

The above is totally, absolutely, my opinion only.

 

[scadagirl28]

Thank you so much for re-posting that old link. I was amazed that it still worked.

I don't know specifically to which tidbit you refer, but it just made my heart break for Jenn's mother. Oh, my.

Around about the 2:00 minute mark of the video, the Sargent states his point that LE believe Jennifer went "off the radar" after 10:00 PM on June 23/06. I respect Mrs. Kesse's opinions but I respect the opinions of LE, too.

Anyway, I'm happy with all the discussion.

I noticed they showed the towel folded on the bathroom sink in the "re-creation" pictures. {sigh}

Bumping

 

[scadagirl28]

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/21/cold-case-jennifer-kesse-disappears-steps-from-orlando-home/ If you go to 2:05 you can see the bedroom pictures . Remember LE didn't think she was really missing until that night. My guess is someone tidied up .

 

[Truth Prevails]

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/03/21/cold-case-jennifer-kesse-disappears-steps-from-orlando-home/ If you go to 2:05 you can see the bedroom pictures . Remember LE didn't think she was really missing until that night. My guess is someone tidied up .

They show one bedroom photo that they call a "police photo".

I believe that is incorrect. That picture is from an old Greta Van Susteren special that she did in 2006--sometime in early February. I believe that is confirmed in one of the parts of the three parts special that she did in 2014.

I'll look it up as soon as I get a chance.

Since I'm here, I wonder if you could explain why you bumped an old comment of mine? I guess I could check, but are we allowed to do that? Anyway, what was your point?

I believe LE has since changed their opinion? And my knowledge of this case has certainly grown, and as that has happened my opinions have--let's say--evolved. I expect that is quite normal.

 

[KLB]

I was just thinking of Jennifer the other night. I think to she was heading into her car, and then abductor used her vehicle, then came back and dropped the car off in that area because he either lives there or worked there. Depending on what time, either night or day... If it was at night, I really can't remember if she was heading to mail out the phone at night, or in the morning when she was heading to work. Why else would this guy return the vehicle near her home.

What if the car wasn't being returned? What if it was moved by someone not directly involved? I find it odd that it was parked at HOTG so late in the day, as if somebody moved it after they found out that Jennifer was being looked for. It seems more like a "get that car out of here" move than something done by the people who actually committed the crime.

 

[kudo623]

What if the car wasn't being returned? What if it was moved by someone not directly involved? I find it odd that it was parked at HOTG so late in the day, as if somebody moved it after they found out that Jennifer was being looked for. It seems more like a "get that car out of here" move than something done by the people who actually committed the crime.

I think this is a good point and well founded. Drew contacted Mosaic management and asked them to do a "wellness check" on Jenn's condo. His call was made around 11AM. So I'm thinking that management (Drew said 2 people) went to her condo and reported on what they found. Its possible that someone saw them go to her condo and/or looked at her parking spot which initiated an action not necessarily to dispose of the car, but a call to the POI to get back to Mosaic ASAP as a search for Jenn had been initiated. Probably nobody saw anything because she may have been brought near the high crime area where her car was dropped off. Thanks.

 

[Kristin83]

While rocking my kid to sleep last night a theory came to me...forgive me if this has already been discussed:

Is it possible that Jen was not taken by foul play, but rather a tragic accident? Run over in her parking lot by one of the construction trucks? Hit in the head by a piece of heavy equipment? Does anyone know if it was trash day? Run over by a garbage truck?

Not that I'm excusing someone running from the scene, but foul play may not have been their intent. And, these construction workers being illegals may have made them especially panic.

I know foul play is the most likely theory but just wanted to throw it out there.

 

[Jmartinez0303]

Hi,

I was a senior in high school in 2016 in Orlando, Florida when Jennifer was reported missing. I never forgot about this case and still think about what happened to her. Has anyone interviewed her brother Logan’s friend whose phone was left in her apartment? Could he have gone back to her apartment because he could not wait for his phone to be overnighted? Just thoughts...