TN - Joann, 31, & Adrienne Bain, 14, Whiteville, 27 April 2012 - #3

[susan1122]

Agree. Which is one of the reasons I keep going back to read through the latest affidavit. Honestly I still can't tell if this theory could be possible from the wording.

I've been wondering if TM drove the girls back in one vehicle, and AM drove the bodies back in another.

I swear I've read that affidavit 5 times, and I still can't decipher whether the statement about TM driving included both the live victims - and the bodies.

If it was possible, I would think they wouldn't have wanted the girls to yet know about the murders. They still might not.

And they would have had to drive both vehicles away, so wouldn't that be a plausible scenario?

And someone had to drive JoAnn's vehicle to where it was found, too. I'm with you about the affidavit.....clear as mud.

 

[RoseRed]

Lol! I am in Tennessee as well and I remember being shocked by the color of the dirt when I moved here from Kentucky 18 years ago. When I till my garden every year, it is red clay dirt I see. ( Then I add fertilizer) It still shocks me every year. You would think I would be used to it by now

Sorry for the confusion I may have caused as I am now in Carroll County TN and the dirt is red. I was born in Obion county and thought I remembered red dirt there also.Maybe i made a mistake. Also have relatives in Hardeman Co. but do not know a lot about hardeman co as that is my Grandma.s county.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Mayes has connections in Tucson

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150887555.html

Just adding this for the Tucson. It might be a good idea if we keep track of the specific cities he has connections in .

 

[Roxye]

Thank you so much for this post.

I just wanted to add that to every person who has ever said or implied that someone with a mental illness somehow chooses that illness or could simply decide not to have it, I ask: do you really and truly think anyone would choose to feel and/or think that way if they actually had a choice???

I used to have a social services type career and I can say I never met anyone with a mental illness who would not have gladly chosen to be normal. Who wouldn't have given significant years off their lifespan to be normal.

Mental illness is something no one wants. Really.

Hate to side track this current situation! These two young girl's lives are soooo much more important. But thank you!

 

[Roxye]

Sorry for the confusion I may have caused as I am now in Carroll County TN and the dirt is red. I was born in Obion county and thought I remembered red dirt there also.Maybe i made a mistake. Also have relatives in Hardeman Co. but do not know a lot about hardeman co as that is my Grandma.s county.

I am in Middle Tennessee. The red clay still shocks me. I fertilize our yard with Blue Kentucky Grass Seed every year....... My friends think I am crazy! Lol... Maybe I am, but I love the smell of fresh Blue Grass

 

[Allusonz]

Funny thing, my first thoughts WOULD have been abduction and mayhem, not necessarily with the "crazy man that I've known as a family member", though. I would never think a member of my family simply ran away. Spousey would tell me in no uncertain terms "I'm outta here!"

Abduction or accident is what would come to mind for me as well.

If no sign of accident and once LE got a picture of the possible dynamics which we have truly not been privey to, GB may of been advised to make that statement by LE in the hopes that JB/daughters saw it on the news and would do whatever was required to keep themselves safe.

 

[RoseRed]

I am in Middle Tennessee. The red clay still shocks me. I fertilize our yard with Blue Kentucky Grass Seed every year....... My friends think I am crazy! Lol... Maybe I am, but I love the smell of fresh Blue Grass

Hubby is from Adair Co. KY and they have red dirt there also.

 

[HaikuMommy]

I don't think AM has Marfan's. I think, especially given his mother seems to be very troubled as well, he probably has adult fetal alcohol syndrome.

-Small head
-Low nasal bridge
-Small eye openings
-Epicanthal folds
-Short nose
-Smooth philitrum
-Underdeveloped jaw
...
-Heart defects

He very well could have FAS. I am the one who originally said he looked like he might have Marfan's. This was just an "interesting aside" and had nothing to do with his character, just his appearance. He reminds me a lot of Vincent Schiavelli, the actor, who used to be honorary co-chairman of the National Marfan Foundation. Here is a pic of him. Notice the eyes, in particular. Anyway, I don't know that it matters if he has Marfans, FAS, or nothing. He is choosing to do evil things and is not legally insane.

 

[LucyOso]

Hi all, still trying to catch up! This thread moves fast and furious lol.

I really think the media is almost hurting this case more than anything by releasing half truths and missinformation. So annoying!

What ever happened with the 1% biker gang theory? I felt like they may have helped him in the beginning but stopped after the id's on the bodies were confirmed.

I'd have to see some more proof of having biker associations instead of him just being a want a be biker. From what we have got so far on him, I don't think the bikers would want him either.

I agree BeginnersLuck. First of all, just because someone has a motorcycle or wears a Harley-Davidson t-shirt does not mean they are a 1% Biker. Secondly, most 1% Biker clubs, obviously this is not what the media portrays, would not associate with or be brothers with someone who kills young teens and abducts little girls. Third, the amount of time AM spent interacting with this family would not make him eligible to be in a club as they require serious time commitment. Fourth, contrary to popular beliefs about "biker gangs" and "brotherhood" they actually would report something like this to police and would make sure justice is served. Fifth, most 1% are decent people, but, we always hear via sensational media about the one loose cannon and then we apply a stereotype to all. Just because one doctor, lawyer, rodeo cowboy, police officer etc kills someone does not mean we view all doctors, lawyers, rodeo cowboys, police officers etc as murders or bad guys...

I could go on and on, but the fact the guy has a motorcycle or had one, that happened to have ape hangers is more of a red herring then anything. :twocents:

 

[Storm]

I have no knowledge of Teresa Mayes mental abilities. I do know that a person who is in Special Education within school systems is perfectly capable of getting a regular High School diploma. If Teresa Mayes has a Special Education diploma, that means her educational load was different from mainstream students. This also means she COULD have emotional disabilities as well (as learning differences and emotional issues can go hand in hand). Before TM gets completely demonized, please consider that she may well have mental issues that caused her to become unable to deal with the situations at hand, including being sure AM would kill her after witnessing him killing JB and AB.

Think about it: what kind of woman would marry a man who lives with his parents and has no job? Does that sound like a person loaded with self esteem and reasoning ability?

My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

 

[susan1122]

Instead of "short upturned nose" he has a long narrow nose. His philitrum isn't smooth. His jaw doesn't look small or underdeveloped to me.

I wouldn't be able to diagnose him.....but I do think he has an under developed jaw. Probably one reason he grew that poofy beard.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10012202-8.html?tag=page;next

I definitely think there is something wrong with him!

 

[CuriousGuy]

[B"The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth. ][/B]

What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

 

[Allusonz]

If the girls don't know their mother and sister have been killed, they might have no clue that they were actually kidnapped. They could be thinking they are on vacation or something like that. He could be easily controlling these children.

I have wondered from the start if this was not the reason that they did not release their names sooner.

From following this from the start it appears that LE seems to be moving pretty much up and down an area from N to S running behind his home for the most part.

 

[Kat]

I got kind of caught up.

Has anyone been able to determine from what they've read if his fixation is on one of the two girls, if so which one? TIA.

 

[CuriousGuy]

My mother would and did...and her and my father had 3 kids and lived with his mother and father with all of us. He never earned a dime in his life that wasn't made by playing in a band and I can assure you, it was a small town and not much money..he beat us and her whenever he felt like it...she didn't try to protect us..they divorced when I was 9 and he sexually abused me at his mother's house when I was 10. She knew he did..and his new wife was present..she stopped it..but not because she was so against it..it was my reaction, I think...I ran out of the room as he yelled to his mother, my grandmother that I was a ***** and looked and acted just like my mother.
She never said a word to defend or console me. I have to honestly say that this case's dysfunctional people triggers my PTSD. I think this whole scenario could have played out in my family (dad even locked my mom in their bedroom one time with a gun..we lived on a farm..I remember someone went up the road to get my uncles..the farmhands, kids..all of us standing outside the house when the gun went off...he'd shot through the ceiling and they eventually came out). I don't think my father was capable of murder..but he did eventually father his own niece's child and married his own father's 1st wife..the bottom line..these poor girls have been helpless in their surroundings and contact with AM..I don't understand how JB and RB didn't have questions about why this single man would want their girls at his house..only one reason I can think of....and it's not that he is their father...IMO ^i^

I'm sitting here feeling I need to say something but am at a loss for words.

No child should ever have to endure what you did. So glad you survived and apparently thrived despite it all

 

[CuriousGuy]

I got kind of caught up.

Has anyone been able to determine from what they've read if his fixation is on one of the two girls, if so which one? TIA.

I have seen it mentioned that he was especially fond of the youngest. No idea how to go back and search for it though.

 

[bessie]

Guys, if it's not a fact that AM has been diagnosed with Marfan's Syndrome or another physical/mental condition, let's please table that speculation for now. I appreciate all of your input and knowledge, but some members find it distracting. The case is at a critical point right now with information pouring in rapidly. Let's do our best to keep on point with the facts. :tyou:

 

[susan1122]

Thank you so much for this post.

I just wanted to add that to every person who has ever said or implied that someone with a mental illness somehow chooses that illness or could simply decide not to have it, I ask: do you really and truly think anyone would choose to feel and/or think that way if they actually had a choice???

I used to have a social services type career and I can say I never met anyone with a mental illness who would not have gladly chosen to be normal. Who wouldn't have given significant years off their lifespan to be normal.

Mental illness is something no one wants. Really.

It is true. No one would want a mental illness. And because of the stigma still attached people sometimes don't want to talk about it or even admit to it. I have members of my family w/ mental illnesses and then other members who can be very judgmental about it. It is always a kind thing to try to imagine what someone is going through.....even if it's impossible. It is sad.

On the other hand crappy things may have happened in AM's life (given the state of the family, etc) and I have only anger and disgust for him.

 

[sreshowtime]

[B"The kids would come to visit and he would have the girls in the bedroom and lock the door and not let my sister in there," said Booth. ][/B]

What the hay?? If true, and coupled with the disgusting viagra thing....this pretty much solves the pedo vs fantasy father debate. MOO

vomit

I thought Booth said earlier she has been out of contact with her sister for quite some time?
:fence: with her comments

 

[LucyOso]

There aren't many, but if you read her posts it seems as if she is very depressed. She talks about meds and 'fussin n fightin" with Adam, among other things.

https://www.facebook.com/smile.mayes?sk=wall

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It is fussin r fRighting....that means she most likely is not only on meds for mental health issues, but anxiety, paranoia or hallucinations as well...frighting is being scared, paranoid or highly anxious...the post does not refer to anything about AM. States she is taking her meds as ordered and maybe her symptoms are decreased...when she says she is "still" taking her meds, if anything it indicates a history of being on and off them. That is common with certain diagnoses and those who have low range IQs. The meds stop when the symptoms go away because they feel better and do not see the correlation between the meds efficacy and the increase functionality. Or for some, they do not like the way the meds feel as they are happy with certain symptoms...