TX TX - Madisonville, UnkFem 2-6, UP15905, feeding tube, in suitcase, clothes, blankets, Sep'16

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I see no reason why she shouldn't be tested for certain genetic diseases, especially ones where the testing is very easy. She couldn't be DIRECTLY identified this way but it could jog someone's memory. Like maybe someone would remember if they knew someone whose daughter had that condition. Or maybe one of the girl's doctors would remember treating her if they knew the specific condition she had.
 
carbuff said:
Testing the girl for genetic diseases is probably legal, but I don't think they could do the rest of that search without more evidence of probable cause of a connection?
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If ALL of the symptoms she displayed physically, the micrognathia, cranial malformation, dental spacing, the under-developed jaw, small skeletal stature, the need of a feeding tube are ALL side effects of Retts Syndrome and Angelman's Syndrome amongst others it WOULD be beneficial to identify her using a chromosomal diagnostic method like Karyotyping. It would confirm this or deny it. The body found off I-45 in Madisonville Texas is only an hour away from the Blue Bird Retts Center in Houston and South of the Dallas Hospital that ALSO has a Retts clinic there (about 2 hours north on I-45)
Karyotyping results would come back much faster and upon confirmation or denial (I am almost positive she had a genetic disorder) they would easily find her in the Texas Retts Registry. There are registries for EVERY genetic disorder to track genealogical blood-lines to trace these disorders. Whatever she was plagued with effected her Skelatal, dental, digestive, and almost surely get meridian development.
This is surely a genetic anomaly.
Karyotyping IS LEGAL in this case. When there is a body found and there is cause by law enforcement to believe a crime has occurred, HIPAA is out the window. Law enforcement has EVERY right to conduct physical tests and retrieve health information (medical records)on behalf of the victim.
Since there is a suspected homicide.
The police would freely be able to get EVERY medical record if there is the belief that a crime has been committed. The health care provider is urged to comply with law enforcement.
Citing:
www.eff.org

Law Enforcement Access

The page below was updated in 2023, but this is a rapidly shifting legal space, so please be aware that this information may not be current. When exploring medical privacy issues, it's very useful to have an overview of the laws that affect control and privacy of medical information. We...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
 
Detailz said:
Karyotyping IS LEGAL in this case. When there is a body found and there is cause by law enforcement to believe a crime has occurred, HIPAA is out the window. Law enforcement has EVERY right to conduct physical tests and retrieve health information (medical records)on behalf of the victim.
Since there is a suspected homicide.
The police would freely be able to get EVERY medical record if there is the belief that a crime has been committed. The health care provider is urged to comply with law enforcement.
Citing:
www.eff.org

Law Enforcement Access

The page below was updated in 2023, but this is a rapidly shifting legal space, so please be aware that this information may not be current. When exploring medical privacy issues, it's very useful to have an overview of the laws that affect control and privacy of medical information. We...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
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Have you provided this information to the Sheriff's office or to this child's NAMUS contact?

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carbuff said:
Testing the girl for genetic diseases is probably legal, but I don't think they could do the rest of that search without more evidence of probable cause of a connection?
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It's not only legal. It's recommended.
In the case of a death that appears to be a homicide, the police are given FULL access to ALL medical records, bodily fluids to act on behalf of the deceased.
They can get ANYTHING. AND usually do.
citing:
www.eff.org

Law Enforcement Access

The page below was updated in 2023, but this is a rapidly shifting legal space, so please be aware that this information may not be current. When exploring medical privacy issues, it's very useful to have an overview of the laws that affect control and privacy of medical information. We...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
They can act on behalf of the victim to identify them, investigate their death and prosecute those responsibile.
 
meanmaryjean said:
And again there is no searchable national database of individual medical records.
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That's not exactly true.
Although there is NO CENTRAL means of universal catalogued medical records, there are SYNDROME REGISTRIES.
A syndrome registry will keep a file on persons with a rare form of genetic disorders. There they store the info on the patient diagnosed, family info, primary care physician. Patient history, etc.
Due to this female presenting genetic anomlies, IF she did TEST POSITIVE for one that would streamline EVERYTHING.
Identify the disorder, contact that registry of that disorder and they'll be obligated legally to comply on behalf of the deceased.
Cranial asymmetry, mandible malformation, micrognathia, feeding tube. I'm thinking that test comes back with a disorder diagnosis.
If not, no harm done.
 
Detailz said:
It's not only legal. It's recommended.
In the case of a death that appears to be a homicide, the police are given FULL access to ALL medical records, bodily fluids to act on behalf of the deceased.
They can get ANYTHING. AND usually do.
citing:
www.eff.org

Law Enforcement Access

The page below was updated in 2023, but this is a rapidly shifting legal space, so please be aware that this information may not be current. When exploring medical privacy issues, it's very useful to have an overview of the laws that affect control and privacy of medical information. We...
www.eff.org www.eff.org
They can act on behalf of the victim to identify them, investigate their death and prosecute those responsibile.
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I know that part is legal. The part that's often problematic is searching the patient records for random possible connected people without some evidence that the connected people caused the harm. I'm glad you suggested it to LE and I hope they can get some answers, but I'm not optimistic it's going to be that easy.
 
I wonder if it would be possible to post on relative regional facebook groups or to alert moderators and see if they'd allow a post. The chances are decent that someone would recognize the child from running into them at clinic appointments or perhaps support groups. They could alert appropriate specialists with whom they are familiar.

Or perhaps someone from here would be willing to contact appropriate departments at TCH and UT Southwestern/Children's? That might be the easiest and least intrusive way to get the word out. I'm sure they know their Retts, Angelman's, and other rare disease kids very well. They could disperse information to other institutions as they see fit.

One of my kids has an uncommon autoimmune illness and, were a post like this be shared, people would be very interested in helping out as there are few providers and many affected families cross paths in some form or fashion. This is such an interesting and smart direction to take, @Detailz!
 
@annemc2 thanks
If it were Retts Syndrome and being that there's less than 15,000 people diagnosed with this in the US and about 350,000 worldwide.
Citing:
reverserett.org

About Rett Syndrome, Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis and Treatments

Rett Syndrome is a serious lifelong neurological disorder that is caused by random mutations in a gene called MECP2.
reverserett.org reverserett.org
It would be easier to find her.
It might be ANOTHER disorder though.
But due to the autopsy showing MICROGNATHIA (condition in which the lower jaw is undersized)
There ARE other syndromes that can be diagnosed via Karyotyping . What is Karyotyping and how is it used (below)
my.clevelandclinic.org

Karyotype Test: Test & What Is It

A karyotype test checks for abnormal chromosomes. The test can detect the possibility of genetic diseases, especially in babies still in the womb.
my.clevelandclinic.org my.clevelandclinic.org
The micrognathia could be a result of the following syndromes
Retts syndrome
Pierre Robin Syndrome
Stickler’s syndrome
Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome
hemifacial microsomia
Treacher Collins
Now considering the mild micrognathia she had I believe it's not Pierre Robin Syndrome.
The combination of the diaper, limited development and feeding tube it's consistent with Retts Syndrome
I just want her identified because the way she was discarded.
As for communicating with different groups asking for help, It may be worthwhile but also might cause them to not speak to anyone.
We could try it if you'd like
 
Another thing is the G-tube valve and tubing.
It's fairly malleable and is not a good reactor with heat. Especially in a black backpack under the Texas sun. Since she had the G-tube and tubing into her abdomen, her medications would've all been Administered via that G-tube and a syringe filled with fluid.
Upon her death and the body starting decomp, whatever is in her stomach would surely try to extort via that tube. The r pills from fingerprints would've been fused into that tubing. As would dry traced of any medications Administered via the valve or expelled from the stomach.
I'm wondering if they tested for prints in that valve and tubing and did a medication tox screen to identify any medications she was on. Those medications would be trace evidence used to identify a patient. Identify the need and Cross-reference what it's used for. I believe she could've (possibly) had a seizure disorder. If so, there would be traces of need from decomp in the bag, clothing etc. Under a microscope each maker of a medication would put a "marker" perhaps. Find the medication, the maker, cross-reference that with pharmacy records of a little girl in that tri-state area. Since meds are dosed by patient weight usually it might be ANOTHER way to identify this child. Test that valve for medication residue.
Or better yet, do a hair-follicle analysis. That'll show every medication she's taken in the past 5 years. So accurate the military uses it.
 
Detailz said:
Another thing is the G-tube valve and tubing.
It's fairly malleable and is not a good reactor with heat. Especially in a black backpack under the Texas sun. Since she had the G-tube and tubing into her abdomen, her medications would've all been Administered via that G-tube and a syringe filled with fluid.
Upon her death and the body starting decomp, whatever is in her stomach would surely try to extort via that tube. The r pills from fingerprints would've been fused into that tubing. As would dry traced of any medications Administered via the valve or expelled from the stomach.
I'm wondering if they tested for prints in that valve and tubing and did a medication tox screen to identify any medications she was on. Those medications would be trace evidence used to identify a patient. Identify the need and Cross-reference what it's used for. I believe she could've (possibly) had a seizure disorder. If so, there would be traces of need from decomp in the bag, clothing etc. Under a microscope each maker of a medication would put a "marker" perhaps. Find the medication, the maker, cross-reference that with pharmacy records of a little girl in that tri-state area. Since meds are dosed by patient weight usually it might be ANOTHER way to identify this child. Test that valve for medication residue.
Or better yet, do a hair-follicle analysis. That'll show every medication she's taken in the past 5 years. So accurate the military uses it.
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Again, was this information provided to the Sheriff's Department or to the NAMUS coordinator?
 
John/Jane Doe said:
@Caring1 could you post the Madison County Jane Doe NamUs exclusion list? I'm asking you since you usually post the John/Jane Doe exclusion list in each thread respectively.
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4 Missing Person Exclusions

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Missing Person / NamUs #MP61677Amanda Corbett
Date of Last ContactJanuary 01, 2012
StateAZ
CountyMaricopa

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Missing Person / NamUs #Amaya Arretta-Lopez
Date of Last Contact--
StateTX
County--

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Missing Person / NamUs #Shelby Roberts
Date of Last Contact--
StateTX
County--

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Missing Person / NamUs #MP4958Myrisha Campbell
Date of Last ContactSeptember 06, 1958
StateTX
CountyGoliad
 
Caring1 said:
4 Missing Person Exclusions

Case Photo

Missing Person / NamUs #MP61677Amanda Corbett
Date of Last ContactJanuary 01, 2012
StateAZ
CountyMaricopa

Case Photo

Missing Person / NamUs #Amaya Arretta-Lopez
Date of Last Contact--
StateTX
County--

Case Photo

Missing Person / NamUs #Shelby Roberts
Date of Last Contact--
StateTX
County--

Case Photo

Missing Person / NamUs #MP4958Myrisha Campbell
Date of Last ContactSeptember 06, 1958
StateTX
CountyGoliad
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So the girl posted earlier on page 19 (Amanda Corbett) has been ruled out? The NamUs MP number is giving me an invalid page, does that mean she was located?

Googling her name pulls up a CPS report about a child of the same name from Tucson. Mom's name matches up as well so I'm 99% sure this is the same Amanda. Apparently she nearly died from dehydration in 2009 when she was 23 months old and a CPS investigation was launched due to suspicion of neglect. She was taken into CPS custody after leaving the hospital. https://dcs.az.gov/sites/default/files/Amanda_12_16_2009.pdf
Couldn't find anything else about her aside from this report and a post on Reddit.

I really hope that Amanda was located and is okay. I know there was some talk of this being a hoax but after seeing the CPS report I'm convinced that, at the very least, MC has a daughter named Amanda who is/was in the foster system.

Also, I'm inclined to think Amanda is Connie Lopez's granddaughter? The story lines up with what MC said and she's also from Tucson. At first I assumed her granddaughter was Amaya Arretta-Lopez but she's missing out of Texas.
 
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With the recent identification of the Opelika Jane Doe/Amore Wiggins, I expect Identifinders International to identify the Madison County Jane Doe for this year.

identifinders.com

2016 Baby Madison - Identifinders International, LLC

In September 2016 a black suitcase was discovered off Interstate 45 in Madisonville, Texas. Packed inside the suitcase was a pink dress with hearts and butterflies that said ''Follow Your Dreams'' a size-4 diaper, and the skeletal remains of a girl with a feeding tube. The Madisonville Sheriff's...
identifinders.com
 
Has any medical condition or disease been confirmed for this baby?

Could this child be a victim of Munchausen by proxy? From several cases I have read about recently caregivers have been successfully able to convince doctors to insert feeding tubes when they weren't needed. They jump from doctor to doctor and have move often to avoid suspension. If this happens to be the case maybe they were worried an autopsy would reveal the abuse. I know she was found skeletal. There may be something we are missing in that case. They could have lied and said that their child is living in a care facility and still getting the sympathy they crave from people that way.
 
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