UK - Chris Kaba 21, shot dead by armed officers, now a murder inquiry, London.

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A murder investigation has been launched into the death of an unarmed man who was shot by armed officers after a police chase in south London, the Independent Office for Police Conduct has said.

Chris Kaba, 24, who was due to become a father within months, died following a pursuit that ended in Streatham Hill, on Monday night.

The Audi he was driving was hemmed in by two police cars in narrow residential street Kirkstall Gardens before one round was fired from a police weapon.

The IOPC said Mr Kaba died after a single shot was fired by an MPS officer from the specialist firearms command while police attempted to stop and contain the vehicle.

The watchdog said Mr Kaba was driving a vehicle not registered to him that had been flagged up by an automatic number plate recognition camera as having been linked to a firearms incident in previous days.

Man shot dead by police ‘was due to become a father’
No gun found in Chris Kaba's car after he was shot dead by police
In a statement, the IOPC said: “Our investigation team is continuing to gather and review a large amount of evidence, however as this is now a criminal investigation, we are limited in what further information we can provide. The launch of a criminal investigation does not mean that criminal charges will necessarily follow.

“We have notified Mr Kaba’s family of this latest development.

“We continue to ask that people avoid speculating about this incident out of respect for Mr Kaba’s family and for everyone else affected.”

The watchdog has previously confirmed that no gun was found in the car Mr Kaba was driving.

The Metropolitan Police said in a statement on Friday that it is "co-operating fully" with the investigation.

It said the firearms officer is not currently on operational duties and a senior officer will now "carefully consider their work status going forward."

The Met's Assistant Commissioner Amanda Pearson said in a statement: "My thoughts and sympathies remain with Mr Kaba’s friends and family with this news."

"I absolutely understand that this shooting is a matter of grave concern, particularly for our Black communities," she continued.
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"I also know what a difficult and often dangerous job firearms officers in particular do every day to try to protect the public.

"They understand and expect that on the very rare occasions they discharge their weapons they will face intense scrutiny. I don’t underestimate the impact on them of this development.

"I’d urge the public to allow the IOPC the time and space needed to progress the investigation.”

London Mayor Sadiq Khan described the investigation as a "significant development".

"I fully understand the grave concerns and impact of Chris’ death on Black Londoners across our city and the anger, pain and fear it has caused – as well as the desire for justice and change," he said.

“I appreciate that there are many unanswered questions and I want to reassure all of London’s communities that I will continue to push for these to be answered.”

Mr Kaba’s family have questioned whether his life would have been "cut short" if he were not Black and demanded a homicide investigation into his death.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, they said they were "devastated" and needed "answers and accountability" over his death.

Met Commander Alexis Boon offered his condolences to Mr Kaba's family and said the incident was "extremely concerning".
 
'It is extremely important there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.'
BBM, good luck with that.
Esp considering this statement from the Met police:
'The officer in question retains our full support as we now go through the legal process.'
Will be interesting to hear their exact motivation for killing this young man and if it's the same as when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot in the head on the London Underground: "They assumed".
RIP =(
 
'It is extremely important there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.'
BBM, good luck with that.
Esp considering this statement from the Met police:
'The officer in question retains our full support as we now go through the legal process.'
Will be interesting to hear their exact motivation for killing this young man and if it's the same as when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot in the head on the London Underground: "They assumed".
RIP =(
We can definitely rule out a JCdM scenario where it's a case of mistaken identity. Kaba already had a criminal record for a firearms offence, was driving a vehicle linked to a shooting, and (as per the article posted above by @Luwin states) If he was still alive he would soon be facing trial for being part of a murder conspiracy plot, which is likely what the vehicle stop related to.

There may be some further context when (or if) this goes to trial and more details are made public which changes my view somewhat, but to all intents and purposes it looks like the officers involved acted lawfully and Chris Kaba was shot because he resisted a lawful arrest and posed a danger to life, not because his skin was a certain colour.

And I strongly dispute any description of him being "unarmed" during the incident. He was behind the wheel of a car, and if he used his car as a weapon as has been described in some accounts then this is sadly the only end result that was ever going to be achieved.
 
The officer, who has only been identified as NX121 after an anonymity order was granted on Thursday, was brought into court.

His lawyer Patrick Hill was asked to confirm the defendant's identity in court and the officer did not speak. [...]

He was remanded into custody to appear at the Old Bailey on Thursday afternoon. [...]

The vehicle had been linked by police to a firearms incident the previous day. Mr Kaba was unarmed and was not being treated as a suspect at the time, an inquest heard in October.

 
An innocent, unarmed man shot dead due to the colour of his skin. Not a shocker that the met are supporting the officer, as they have been proven to be institutionally racist. What with that and having sex offenders in their ranks, they need to get their house in order!!
Jmo, moo.
 
At a second hearing at Central Criminal Court on Thursday afternoon, the Recorder of London Mark Lucraft KC said he would consider the anonymity applications next Friday, 29 September.

He also granted the defendant, who spoke only to confirm his identity as officer NX121, conditional bail.

The defendant was told he must sleep and live at a specified address, surrender his passport and not apply for any international travel documents.

Judge Lucraft KC also told the defendant that statutory medical reports must be carried out.

[...]

A plea and trial preparation hearing was scheduled for 1 December, with a provisional trial date set for 9 September next year.

 
This is interesting reading for those like me who don't know much about "Armed policing" in the UK.
I used to live in a high crime area in London and there was never a police shooting in my years there. There are reasons for that.
Link to UK College of Policing > Armed policing

The primary intention of the police, when discharging a firearm, is to prevent an immediate threat to life by shooting to stop the subject from carrying out their intended or threatened course of action. In most circumstances, this is achieved by aiming to strike the central body mass (the torso).
Where it is imperative that the subject is immediately incapacitated (for example, if about to detonate a person-borne IED), then an aim to strike the head or central nervous system may be considered.
- - - He was shot in the head, but he was unarmed. Can't have been he tried to use the car as a weapon, it was hemmed in. He doesn't look like the Hulk either. I'm curious what the threat was.

There is also this:
...if – for example – only the head of the subject is visible and a shot must immediately be discharged in order to prevent an immediate threat to life, then the authorised firearms officer (AFO) will have no option but to aim at and strike the only part of the body of the subject which is then visible, namely the head.
- - - I'm guessing these snippets are why the murder charge? There was no immediate threat to life but yet he was shot in the head, as it was the only part of his body visible. I guess we'll know more when it goes to court.

Also, obviously no mention of the right to use deadly force due to someone's criminal history or upcoming court cases, or driving a car suspected to be involved in a serious crime.

In the area I lived the black kids my sons were friends with were much more likely to be stopped and searched than white kids. Black kids with perfect grades and home lives. Vs. white kids who bought drugs from other white kids and smoked them with their mum. It's worse in some areas than others. Not sure this had anything to do with the victim's colour of skin, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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A plea and trial preparation hearing was scheduled for 1 December, with a provisional trial date set for 9 September next year.
Thank you, I was looking around before to see when the trial is supposed to be.
I agree they need to be anonymous until (or if) found guilty (as everyone should be imo).
 
As we all know Chris Kaba was "unarmed" in the sense that there was no firearm in his possession at the time of the shooting. But has anyone considered that actually, in the specific situation he was in the vehicle he was driving would potentially be a much more dangerous weapon than any gun?

The firearms officers would have been covered from head to toe in body armour to protect them if they are hit by bullets, but that armour is not going to protect them if they are hit by a car.

If the defence can prove to any degree whatsoever that Kaba intended to use the vehicle he was driving as a weapon against the officers then the prosecution's case has no chance surely?

JMO
 
I feel the need to point out that the UK is not America. The average amount of deaths by police shooting is 2/3 a year... for the last 40 years. They've shot dead about 83 people since 1990 - that's not just the met, that's countrywide.

Think the most was around the 7/7 bombings when it hit 5 - at least when it gets over 4 it's usually terrorism related.

That is not to say there are not mistakes or malice or coverups in the past, there has been. But there is a reason why people tend to reach back about a decade to find the famous cases of UK police shootings where the justification was not there or in dispute.


This news surprises me a lot. The Police federation and the Metropolitan Police were demanding the bodyworn video be released in the days after this incident. (They could not do it themselves because the IOPC was in charge of the investigation.) Not to mention, when it threatened to cause riots their method to calm the situation was to show the family the footage - which IMO suggested they were very very confident in it would be unambiguous (even to his grieving family) as to why he got shot. It worked as well, the family went from heading marches to pretty quiet after being allowed to see it.

I really hope they have good reasons to charge and it's not because it was high profile.



 
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I feel the need to point out that the UK is not America. The average amount of deaths by police shooting is 2/3 a year... for the last 40 years. They've shot dead about 84 people in four decades

Think the most was around the 7/7 bombings when it hit 5.

That is not to say there are not mistakes or malice. But there is a reason why people tend to reach back about a decade to find the famous cases of UK police shootings where the justification was not there or in dispute.


This news surprises me a lot. The Police federation and the Metropolitan Police were demanding the bodyworn video be released in the days after this incident. (They could not do it themselves because the IOPC was in charge of the investigation.) Not to mention, when it threatened to cause riots their method to calm the situation was to show the family the footage - which IMO suggested they were very very confident in it was very unambiguous even to his grieving family as to why he got shot. It worked as well, the family went from heading marches to pretty quiet after being allowed to see it.



The simplest and most obvious reason why there are so few police shootings in this country is that most police officers in the UK do not even carry firearms with them on duty. Probably because unlike (many states in) America you can't just walk in to a gun shop and buy a 9mm pistol, shotgun or even a great big semiautomatic rifle so long as you pass the relevant security checks! Firearms in the UK criminal underworld tend to be rudimentary modified antique or replica jobbies. Or even 3D printed firearms which much less firepower than professionally built, sometimes military grade weaponry on sale to the general public. They are therefore much less likely to need a firearm to respond to an emergency call.

Chris Kaba was subject to an armed response because the car he was driving was linked to a firearms incident the night before.
 
The simplest and most obvious reason why there are so few police shootings in this country is that most police officers in the UK do not even carry firearms with them on duty. Probably because unlike (many states in) America you can't just walk in to a gun shop and buy a 9mm pistol, shotgun or even a great big semiautomatic rifle so long as you pass the relevant security checks! Firearms in the UK criminal underworld tend to be rudimentary modified antique or replica jobbies. Or even 3D printed firearms which much less firepower than professionally built, sometimes military grade weaponry on sale to the general public. They are therefore much less likely to need a firearm to respond to an emergency call.

Chris Kaba was subject to an armed response because the car he was driving was linked to a firearms incident the night before.
Firearms are still called out for a lot of incidents. A machete for example, will get a firearms response because a stick and spicy spray or even a taser isn't about to cut it. There are also a fair few guns and replicas around, a firearms incident isn't going to be a situation where the calibre of the gun makes a huge amount of difference when it comes to deciding to use deadly force.

In 2022 for example there were 18200+ firearms deployments in England and Wales.
They intentionally shot their guns - not even hitting someone just discharged a firearm 4 times in that year.

 
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Firearms are still called out for a lot of incidents. A machete for example, will get a firearms response because a stick and spicy spray or even a taser isn't about to cut it. There are also a fair few guns and replicas around, a firearms incident isn't going to be a situation where the calibre of the gun makes a huge amount of difference when it comes to deciding to use deadly force.

In 2022 for example there were 18200+ firearms deployments in England and Wales.
They intentionally shot their guns - not even hitting someone just discharged a firearm 4 times in that year.

And this is what people refuse to understand about police and firearms, especially when it comes to incidents highlighted by the BLM movement. That just because the suspect in question does not have a firearm does not mean a firearm deployment is not necessary.

It's not a boxing match, where rigorous rules and regulations are in place to ensure that there is a level playing field between combatants. It is a matter of public safety, and the police are meant to have the upper hand.

I've seen enough bodyworn camera videos on the 'Police Activity' youtube channel to demonstrate that pepper spray or a taser is often a woefully inadequate instrument to preserve order and public safety when dealing with many violent suspects, whether they possess a firearm or not.

There are plenty of ways police officers can be dodgy and abuse their position of privelege, but when it comes to actually ending human life I really do not believe that is something that they take lightly.
 
Soldiers from the Army could be sent in to cover for Met Police firearms officers who have withdrawn in protest after a marksman was charged with murder over the fatal shooting of Chris Kaba.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has offered to send military personnel into London for counter terrorism support after reports that more than 100 officers turned in their permits to carry weapons. [...]

It comes after Suella Braverman today waded into a row over the shooting of a black man by police in London after armed officers handed in their guns over the decision to charge a marksman with murder.

The Home Secretary defended officers who make 'split-second decisions under extraordinary pressures' after the CPS brought charges over the death of Chris Kaba. [...]

 
Soldiers from the Army could be sent in to cover for Met Police firearms officers who have withdrawn in protest after a marksman was charged with murder over the fatal shooting of Chris Kaba.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has offered to send military personnel into London for counter terrorism support after reports that more than 100 officers turned in their permits to carry weapons. [...]

It comes after Suella Braverman today waded into a row over the shooting of a black man by police in London after armed officers handed in their guns over the decision to charge a marksman with murder.

The Home Secretary defended officers who make 'split-second decisions under extraordinary pressures' after the CPS brought charges over the death of Chris Kaba. [...]

Again, if I said what I really think about this criminal indictment, I'd probably ruffle more than a few feathers. I am a very concerned resident of Greater London, and I don't think adding "JMO" to the end of my post will allow me to express my strongest opinions on this case!
 
Again, if I said what I really think about this criminal indictment, I'd probably ruffle more than a few feathers. I am a very concerned resident of Greater London, and I don't think adding "JMO" to the end of my post will allow me to express my strongest opinions on this case!
My feeling is we haven't heard many facts yet. I appreciate the case is sub judice, but I await the trial to hear why the CPS made a charging decision.
 

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