WV WV - Alta, WhtFem 37-47, 275UFWV, skeletal in roadside dump, May'01

I recently moved back to Texas from West Virginia (Clarksburg area). If you think of all the colleges/universities in the state, it could be possible they were college students. I am primarily speaking of the Asian woman. I was employed at one of the universities and the school is highly known for international students. I am wondering if it could possibly be a college student. With international students you have so many issues--INS, deportation, the school must document everything (not sure how well documentations are done at this school), etc. I know from working at this school that the Greenbrier area was a huge attraction for the students (all races/cultures).
And, yes, you may think, wouldn't the school or classmates report her missing? You would think so, but if you knew of a school that was being fined for violations of the Cleary Act (not sure of the full name), you may find it possible for a scenario such as this. I am not sure of the dates, I will look it up in a while, but if I remember, the time of disappearance may be around the same time the school was found in violation. I also believe there was an issue of some international students obtaining their I20 forms to attend school, and they never showed up. I do not believe they were reported.
Anyone from West Virginia can most likely figure out which school I speak of; I just don't want to type the name of the school. I know this sounds like bashing of my former place of employment, but I thought the information would be relevant for this situation or at any other school.
I also say any other school, because if you live or even drive through West Virginia you cannot help but notice the amount of colleges/universities the state houses. When I first moved there, I thought it was amazing, it seemed to be a college/university at almost every exit. And with that, knowing West Viriginia's economy and employment rate is not the best in the states, you would think with all the education avenues available, the employment rate and opportunities would be greater.
Don't get me wrong and please don't take offense, I loved living there but I just found that to be interesting. I just assumed that people would attend college and then move off. You also have a lot of out of state students who attend those schools and then move back home.
Maybe someone can look into this.
 
schmaltzytx ... yes, I'm pretty sure of the school you are referring to. That's interesting information.

No offense taken on the WV comments - it's true we have a college and a church on every corner.
 
Shadow205 said:
I knew of 1 unidentified body in the county where I live but while researching something I found that there are 3.
<snip>

human remains found in Greenbrier County.
Estimated time of disappearance/death: October 1998 to January 1999.
Approximate Age: 25 to 45 years of age
Race: White
Gender: Female
Hair: Brown
Height: 5'2" to 5'6"
Medium Build

The unidentified remains have been profiled as a female subject with prior dental work done in the latter part of her teenage years. She has had a dental partial in the past that was to replace one of her front teeth, but may have not been used in recent years. She has had limited finances due to evidence found at the scene of the crime. more at link http://www.wvstatepolice.com/body.html

Unidentified Human Remains Recovered
May 9, 2001 in Greenbrier County off US Route 60


Information known about the victim:
1. Age 37-47
2. Female/White
3. Has bore at least one child
4. May be left handed
5. Height approximately 5 ft.
6. History of quality professional dental care
7. May have been a smoker
8. Time since death - probably at least 3 yrs before discovery (May 1998)
9. Chip in lower tooth present during life

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more at the link http://www.wvstatepolice.com/greenunknown.htm

On September 26, 2002, a body was discovered in the Greenbrier State Forest by a passerby. The body was over an embankment along Greenbrier State Forest Road (Harts Run).

The body has been examined and determined to be of Asian descent with a height of 4'2" to 5'2", the age is believed to be between 25 to 33 years of age. One article of clothing was Mercata brand orange shorts which are only sold in Walmart stores in Mexico. The person's teeth were all found to be origional with a few fillings. It was determined that the individual was probably right-handed. A pair of green swimming goggles was located near the body. A blue Ford Escort was seen in the area and may possibly be linked to the crime.

more at link http://www.wvstatepolice.com/greenasian.htm

I find this very disturbing as this is an area with a very low crime rate. From what I can determine these bodies were found in a rather close vicinity. The one body was found along Greenbrier State Forest Rd(Harts Run) and one was found of of Rt. 60. Greenbrier Forest Rd runs off of Rt 60. I am still trying to find out where the 3rd was found. 3 bodies in a four year period is a little alarming. What is really strange is that I have lived here for 2 years and have only heard about 1. These bodies were found less than 5 miles from my house!
I am searching for newspaper articles will post what I find.

One of the bodies has been identified (the one above in red)and an arrest has been made in this cold case. One suspect is still at large.

Police make arrest in 1999 murder case

Son charged, father at-large in western Greenbrier shooting

By Amelia A. Pridemore
REGISTER-HERALD REPORTER

Nearly seven years after a woman’s remains were found in a remote area of Greenbrier County, two men have been charged with her murder.
<snip>
The two are accused of killing Kimberly Dawn Thompson, who was a 32-year-old Beckley resident when she died, Cahill said. Thompson’s remains were identified in early 2005 through assistance from the Smithsonian Institution and later through DNA confirmation. Thompson was Robert Sandy’s girlfriend.

Thompson’s remains were found April 25, 1999, in the Cold Knob area of western Greenbrier County, about 14 miles from Richwood, Cahill said. According to the State Police Web site, she had been missing since Nov. 26, 1998.

more at the link http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_038234850.html?keyword=topstory
 
http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/thompson_kimberly.html

thompson_kimberly.jpg

Kimberly Dawn Thompson

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
# Missing Since: November 26, 1998 from Beckley, West Virginia
# Classification: Endangered missing
# Date Of Birth: December 16, 1965
# Age: 32 years old
# Height and Weight: 5'8", 130 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, green eyes.

Details of Disappearance
Kimberly Dawn Thompson is addicted to drugs and has been missing since November 26, 1998 from Beckley, West Virginia. Kimberly Thompson may be in the New York area.

*********************
I'm always interested to see how close the information was. If it was possible to identify someone by the information made public. In this case?

1. There was no reconstruction available when Kimberly was unidentified. There was a photo of her necklace, but that wasn't mentioned on this site (for example)

2. Kimberly was estimated to have disappeared: October 1998 to January 1999. She actually was reported missing November 26. 1999. this was an excellent match.

3. Kimberly was estimated to be 25 to 45 years of age. Her actual age was 32. Again an accurate estimate.

4. Kimberly was listed as white, female, with brown hair. Accurate on all 3.

5. Height was estimated to be 5'2" to 5'6" - she is actually 2" taller at 5'8

6. Kimberly was estimated to be Medium Build. She was actually listed as 130lbs.

7. The dental information never made it to the public arena. Her financial situation that is mentioned was probably related to the drug use (speculation on my part).

I have only one question... if there are very few murders, and police have access to much more information that is publicly available, why didn't they locate her missing person's report much sooner?

The remains were found in April of 1999. The public was told since at least February of 2002 (last update of web page) so are there not many murders but tons of missing people in West Virginia that identifying remains, even if there is an accurate profile, is very difficult?

I am sincere with my question as I am confused
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PonderingThings said:
http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/thompson_kimberly.html

http://www.doenetwork.us/nampn/cases/images/thompson_kimberly.jpg
Kimberly Dawn Thompson

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance
# Missing Since: November 26, 1998 from Beckley, West Virginia
# Classification: Endangered missing
# Date Of Birth: December 16, 1965
# Age: 32 years old
# Height and Weight: 5'8", 130 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, green eyes.

Details of Disappearance
Kimberly Dawn Thompson is addicted to drugs and has been missing since November 26, 1998 from Beckley, West Virginia. Kimberly Thompson may be in the New York area.

*********************
I'm always interested to see how close the information was. If it was possible to identify someone by the information made public. In this case?

1. There was no reconstruction available when Kimberly was unidentified. There was a photo of her necklace, but that wasn't mentioned on this site (for example)

2. Kimberly was estimated to have disappeared: October 1998 to January 1999. She actually was reported missing November 26. 1999. this was an excellent match. (Note added by docwho3: Date reported missing was November 26. 1998. I know its only a typo & it is a good match.)

3. Kimberly was estimated to be 25 to 45 years of age. Her actual age was 32. Again an accurate estimate.

4. Kimberly was listed as white, female, with brown hair. Accurate on all 3.

5. Height was estimated to be 5'2" to 5'6" - she is actually 2" taller at 5'8

6. Kimberly was estimated to be Medium Build. She was actually listed as 130lbs.

7. The dental information never made it to the public arena. Her financial situation that is mentioned was probably related to the drug use (speculation on my part).

I have only one question... if there are very few murders, and police have access to much more information that is publicly available, why didn't they locate her missing person's report much sooner?

The remains were found in April of 1999. The public was told since at least February of 2002 (last update of web page) so are there not many murders but tons of missing people in West Virginia that identifying remains, even if there is an accurate profile, is very difficult?

I am sincere with my question as I am confused http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
And you have a good question there. It makes you wonder if there isn't a better way.
 
I don't understand it either Ponderingthings. There were only 79 murders in WV in 1999. I have not found a count of missing persons.

I know that I am getting quite frustrated trying to get the WV state police to take a look at the comparison that I sent them on one of the other bodies and missing person Delores Melton. They might be able to identify another one if they would just look into it.
 
Father arrested at Beckley West

By Amelia A. Pridemore
REGISTER-HERALD REPORTER


The man accused of killing his girlfriend seven years ago is in custody, State Police said Wednesday night.

Robert Dale Sandy, 53, of Beckley, was arrested around 7 p.m. Wednesday at Beckley West Apartments, 1st Sgt. D.L. Bowles said.

Sandy is charged with first-degree murder in the death of his then-girlfriend, Kimberly Dawn Thompson, 32, of Beckley

<snip>

Sandy’s son, Thomas Randal “Bubby” Sandy, 24, of Beckley, was also charged with first-degree murder in the case, although Greenbrier prosecutors say that charge may be dismissed because of new evidence. The younger Sandy was arrested last Friday and is being held at Southern Regional Jail.
http://www.register-herald.com/local/local_story_040001055.html
 
marylandmissing said:
Local Lost: A Missing Persons Investigation
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Recreated face of human remains found in West Virginia
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Delores Melton
Every year thousands of people are reported missing in North Carolina. While most of them are found, some never come home, leaving their families wondering what happened.

April 15, 1994 is the day one family will never forget. That's the day 38-year-old Delores Melton simply vanished.

Virginia Witten is Delores Melton's sister. "We don't really want to find out who did something to her, we know somebody did something, we just want to find out where she is and bring her back and put her someplace where we know where she is," Witten said.

Virginia Witten talked to her sister Delores the Friday night she disappeared. That night, Delores came to SunsetBeach. People last saw her at a bar called "High Tides."

The bar Delores disappeared from is long gone, now there's just an empty space here, empty like the heart of her family who still know nothing after 11 and a half years.

Some speculated Delores simply took off, but her family doesn't believe it.

"She didn't take off," Witten said. "She had family, a fairly good job, a son, a nice place to live -- she wouldn’t have taken off. She has money in the bank. That money is still in there, so no, she just didn't take off. Something terrible happened to her."

Monica Caison with the CUECenter for Missing Persons doesn't believe Delores left on her own, either. Monica got involved with the case in 1998. After seven years of searching she too wants answers for the family.

"Delores's son grew up believing that she possibly ran off because he heard in the only onset of what people have been saying," Caison said. "I'd like him to know the truth. I'd like him to know the truth before he has family."

Now, a startling turn in the investigation: Medical experts recreated the face of human remains found in West Virginia. Though found far from here, the Jane Doe and Delores Melton have many similarities. Is this face the answer the family has been searching for?

Caison has sent letters and made phone calls, but red tape continues to tie up the DNA process. If and when it happens, there's still a possibility the woman is someone else's missing loved one. That's why Virginia prays for answer -- prays that someone, somewhere knows something about her sister and will step forward.

"It's been absolutely terrible. My parents, well, of course their health is deteriorating and I think a lot of it has to do with this disappearance. We need closure. The family needs closure," Witten said.

The family waits, still no closer to answers than they were in April of 1994.

The Jane Doe in question is at the Smithsonian Institute in WashingtonDC.

Monica Caison with the cue center is pushing to have DNA testing done on the remains.

I wonder if the DNA test was ever done. I never got a response from the WV State Police or the DOE network on the information that I sent them.:confused:
 
being from WV, I just can't let these unid'ed people out of my head. so, I've been looking at them again.

Just through a random "look around" I came upon Linda Evans Lunsford missing from Chesterfield County VA in 1996. She somewhat reminded me of the body in Greenbrier that was found in 2001.

Here are the links:
http://www.wvstatepolice.com/greenunknown.htm

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1541dfva.html

Looking at a map, the area of Linda's disappearance could be a somewhat direct (although not short) route to where the body was found.

Also, since the body that was id'ed turned out to be from Beckley, what about Cherice? Her bone structure in her face does not seem to be so thin, but ...
http://www.wvstatepolice.com/children/cherice.htm

I am not as good at this as some of you folks and wanted to get some ideas.
 
I know Greenbrier County WV pretty good been fishing and hunting around that area for over 20 + year's .. What's make me think what's very strange about this case is the area where the people is found.. I think it's in a small part of the county, and there is very lot better place's around than these spot's. I just got a feeling whoever doing this lived in that small area when they was very young or maybe traveled in that area some but very little because of the placement of the body's ..I really hate to say it but I think i was within about 100 yard's from 1 of the body's before it was found or where I understand they found her .I never saw nothing when i stoped... but i was only stoped at that spot maybe 3 to 4 min's ( I had to use the old WV restroom!!! That is most of the time behind a large tree) That complete county got a very lot of what we call undergrowth and is very hard to see through.. Old day's before I-64 that Rt 60 was the main road through that area and it still very surprize me but it's still i feel a heavy traveled road today. This was not the 1st time I been very close to where they found a body later... I use to got up to the Raleigh & Boone county line on what we call RT.99 across from Microwave Tower's and set on top of a cliff listen to the radio and watch traffic drive by with my girlfriend I bet we did that over 50 time's then later on I saw where they found a dead woman very close to where we allway went to and they sayed that woman been there from around mid to late 1970's.. Give's me a spooky feeling being that close and never know what you near...West Viriginia is little hard to tell people about until you see it but there is a very lot of places the undergrowth is so thick you can't see 10 foot or less through it..
 
Shadow and I have been working on this case on another forum, here are copies of some of our posts:

POSTED BY CHRISTINE2448:

I rec'd this letter from CUE:


We are aware and have been working on this since the coroner contacted out center where she had made an error date in her entry years ago. We tracked down the retired officer and working with the new LE as well. We located the DNA for Deloris and had that sent 2 years ago and also tracked the down remains which are in WA Institute. We have contacted in writing the doctor over the department and they still have not tested the remains because LE will not pay for it. I contacted the FBI contact we have and they are pushing testing however the LE here must agree or request it and pay for it. So this is where we are at and we just sent another letter again last week. We also exposed the story to media and showed all of our contacts and letters. We believe it is her. What else to you think can be done.
Monica Caison
CUE Center for Missing Persons
PO Box 12714
Wilmington, NC 28405
(910) 343-1131
(910) 232-1687 24 Hour Line
Email: cuecenter@aol.com
Website: http://www.ncmissingpersons.org/

He who walks in the way of integrity shall be in my service.
No one who practices deceit can hold a post in my court.
No one who speaks falsely can be among my advisors.
--Psalm 101



OK, what do we do? How about the family? How much does something like this cost?

Can you believe it??????

They too think it is her....EXCELLENT Shadow!
 
POSTED BY SHADOW:


Way to go Christine!!! I have been waiting about 6 months for a reply from WV state police and you get one within a day! I guess they don't check their emails very often, that was how I made contact.
Your email from NC is amazing! They also think that it is a match and have been trying to get DNA testing for 2 years?
I'm not sure which LE agency is responsible for the DNA testing but they need to decide and do it. This family deserves answers. If this UID is Deloris, then the family needs to know that.
Let me know what I can do to help.

Oh by the way, where is the body? Is it at the ME's office or was it sent to the Smithsonian Institute?
 
POSTED BY CHRISTINE2448:


I contacted Kelly Jolkowski last night asking for advice, her reply:

Is this a deal where there is a missing woman is in one LE and an UID in another and the LE won't do a DNA test for matching purposes? If so, which LE won't do the test...the one with the missing, or the one with the UID? DO you know why they won't do it?

Do you have links to both the missing info w photo and the UID with photo?

NO ONE can make the LE do DNA with few exceptions. That's why I need these facts.

I have regular contact with one of the world's top DNA scientists. I need to know more before I take it further.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
http://www.projectjason.org
Read our Voice for the Missing Blog
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/


I replied to Kelly, and she wrote me again:

This is simple, really. The test is free if done with one of 3 free labs in the US. The LE does have to agree to do the test, but I couldn't imagine them not wanting to possibly resolve this case, especially when it is not going to cost them anything.

I am not at home, so I don't have all my files with me, but I can get you the info tonight. LE has some kind of internal communication system that can only be accessed by them. (I can't recall the name of it right now.) Each user has a code name like a username. I have this "username" for the contact at one of the free labs. All you have to do then is give this "username" to the LE and tell them that they may contact this person to arrange the DNA testing.

There is no reason for these matches not be be attempted. Many of the LE do not realize these services exist. We continue to educate.

I am going to feature an interview with the scientist and his assistant in the near future. I had sent out an email to numerous contacts to ask if they had questions about DNA that pertains to missing persons. There is still time to submit questions if you have any others.

I don't have a problem with you quoting me as long as you make clear the source. :)
--
Kelly Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org



POSTED BY SHADOW
Kelly,

Thank you for your assistance in this. I hope that with the information that you provided to Christine the DNA testing will finally get done.
 
POSTED BY CHRISTINE2448:


I contacted Kelly Jolkowski last night asking for advice, her reply:

Is this a deal where there is a missing woman is in one LE and an UID in another and the LE won't do a DNA test for matching purposes? If so, which LE won't do the test...the one with the missing, or the one with the UID? DO you know why they won't do it?

Do you have links to both the missing info w photo and the UID with photo?

NO ONE can make the LE do DNA with few exceptions. That's why I need these facts.

I have regular contact with one of the world's top DNA scientists. I need to know more before I take it further.

Kelly Jolkowski, Mother of Missing Jason Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
http://www.projectjason.org
Read our Voice for the Missing Blog
http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com/


I replied to Kelly, and she wrote me again:

This is simple, really. The test is free if done with one of 3 free labs in the US. The LE does have to agree to do the test, but I couldn't imagine them not wanting to possibly resolve this case, especially when it is not going to cost them anything.

I am not at home, so I don't have all my files with me, but I can get you the info tonight. LE has some kind of internal communication system that can only be accessed by them. (I can't recall the name of it right now.) Each user has a code name like a username. I have this "username" for the contact at one of the free labs. All you have to do then is give this "username" to the LE and tell them that they may contact this person to arrange the DNA testing.

There is no reason for these matches not be be attempted. Many of the LE do not realize these services exist. We continue to educate.

I am going to feature an interview with the scientist and his assistant in the near future. I had sent out an email to numerous contacts to ask if they had questions about DNA that pertains to missing persons. There is still time to submit questions if you have any others.

I don't have a problem with you quoting me as long as you make clear the source. :)
--
Kelly Jolkowski
President and Founder,
Project Jason
www.projectjason.org
 
CHRISTINE SAID:

JACKPOT!

Just got of the phone with WV ME office....

She is calling Brusnwick right now for Dentals!!!!!!!

She believes we are spot on!

Her UID does have a chipped tooth! Just like Delores!



Here are some sloppy notes I took while on the telephone with her:

Greenbrier County is the body dumping capital of the world!
UID DNA has been sent to FBI database.

She was found 1 mile west of US Rt 60, Alta Exit.

She will call/email me as soon as she know something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SHADOW SAID:

This is great Christine. I pointed out the chipped tooth in my earlier email to the state police too.
Not to happy about the comment on Greenbrier county being the body dumping ground of the world though
I know of 3, one has been identified and an arrest made. This one and the Asian female that I posted in this thread

CHRISTINE SAID:

Fudgesicles...CUE says there are NO dentals, Doe is reporting wrong......crap!

Need to think....just got a ton of information from the lady at CUE, need to get it all together, then will post.
 
CHRISTINE SAID:


Here's where we are:

Shadow and I have talked on the tele a couple of times this morning, trying to think 'what next'.

I asked Shadow to call and interview the sister, she is former LE, she will know what to ask (we got the contact info from CUE and they said it would be OK for us to work w/her). Apparantly the NC LE in charge of this investigation is not helping at all. They basically have taken the attitude that this woman did this to herself, she was at a bar drinking, and she brought this on.....the family has been fightin LE to get the DNA done.

Much to this story.....but I can't get it all together until we get all of this info.

I left a message with ME in WV to see if they can just push this test, and to let them know that Doe Network info is WRONG, there are no dentals.

I am also going to try to talk with Kelly tonight to get her advice on 'what next'.

Animal is going to receive a bunch of faxes in regards to this case from Monica at NC Missing this afternoon. This will include all letters from NC Missing to the ME office about DNA testing, 17 in all. Once we have this, and the notes from Shadow's interview with sister, we will have a more clear picture of this story.

SHADOW SAID:
I just called the sister of Deloris Melton. I got an answering machine. I left a message, will wait to get a call back. If I don't get one by this evening I'll try back tonight.

CHRISTINE SAID:
I just talked to the ME's office again in WV. They believe they can push this test and are willing to help us.

I am trying to get Monica on the phone to have her call them because she knows this case much better than I and she can explain the 'whole story'.

Making progress people, slow, but making progress.

SHADOW SAID:

The sister called me back. I will post the conversation or parts of it, she asked that a couple of names be left out at this time as soon as I can get it all together.
 
Shadows Telephone Interview with the sister of Delores:


This is from the conversation that I had today with Deloris Melton's sister:

On Tuesday 09/14/06, I spoke with the Sister in reference to her sister Deloris Melton. Ms. Melton has been missing from Bronswick County Ga since 4/15/94. She was last seen in a bar in North Myrtle Beach,SC.
According to the Sister, Delori's husband(_____) got into a bar fight in 1984 or 1985 with a man by the name of(_____)over a pool game. (____)stabbed Melton's husband in the back. He was taken to the hospital and pressed charges. While waiting for the trial, supposedly,(____), threatened Melton's husband if he did not drop the charges "his family would pay".
This is the man who was seen at the bar and the last person that Deloris was seen with. The Sister beleives that he kidnapped Deloris. She also stated that she beleives that Deloris's room-mate(______) might have had some involvement. She said that she did not know the person who the sister thinks may be a suspect but it was later learned that she did. She had a drug connection with him. According to the Sister, the roomate mislead LE by telling them that Deloris had no family when she knew that she did. The roomate left Deloris at the bar that night even though they had gone there together. The roomate is the one who filed a missing person report on Deloris after she didn't come home a couple of days later.
The Sister said that she moved into Delori's mobile home after she disappeared and began making the payments so that she wouldn't loose it. While there, she was going thru Deloris's things and found a West Virginia phone number. This number was given to the WV State Police officer who was working the case of the UID(he is retired now). He told her that he checked the number and it came back to someone who lived within a 100 mile radious of where the UID was found. The Sister also found out that the roomate had friends or family in WV.
According to the Sister, Deloris did have a chipped lower tooth that she got while riding a bicycle when she was a child.
Deloris Melton's parents are both still living in case there is a need to obtain another DNA sample. The Sister said that the UID's body was sent to the Smithsonian Institue and that is where it remains. She said that she checks with them every so often and they tell her that no one else has called about identifying the UID.
The Sister agreed to our conversation being posted at Justice Quest but asked that the name of the *possible suspect* not be posted. She is very happy that we are working on her sister's case and appreciates any help that we can provide.
 
As of today, Monica at Cue is trying to talk with the Me's office. I told Monica if they can't connect in the next few days, I will call and bug the ME's office to call her.
 
Pretty exciting stuff!! I mistakenly thought Deloris had been officially ruled out by DNA. Good to hear that is not the case because her picture and the reconstruct of the UID looked to be right on.


It seems to be a little stronger than just looks with the WV phone number, proximity to the dump site..... Good job!!

Keep us posted on your hard work!!
 
Sorry for the lack of updates.

Nothing much to report over the holidays, right after the holidays we were told DNA was being done again?

We have been waiting for DNA to be recollected...still trying to clarify why, I don't remember, why it needs to be redone.

As of date, Sister of Deloris says they have not come to collect.

I am waiting on an udpate from Monica and Shadow is going to make a follow up call to this sis, just so we are sure we know what's going on, then I am going to start calling and nagging all involved again.
 

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