Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #59

[PiperAria]

Might be her middle name. My sister's middle name is my mother's last name - it's something people do sometimes.

unless someone has seen her BC, isn’t it possible she had her mother’s maiden name for a time after her birth?

 

[Nikynoo]

Found some interesting stats (links at bottom of post). Overwhelmingly, most domestic violence is perpetrated using body parts (hands, fists, feet, etc) but most murders (overall, whether it be domestic, stranger violence, whatever) happen with a firearm, assuming because a firearm is usually more deadly than mere physical contact with body parts. JMO. This is not to say use of physical force minus a weapon doesnt cause fatalities, just not as often.

One excerpt reads:

FEMALE HOMICIDE VICTIMS AND WEAPONS
Firearms were the weapon most commonly used by males to murder females in 2019. For homicides in which the weapon could be identified, 58 percent of female victims (910 out of 1,566) were killed with a gun. Of the females killed with a firearm, 59 percent were murdered by male intimates. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate acquaintance (537 victims) was more than three and a half times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined (146 victims) in single victim/single offender incidents in 2019. In homicides where males used firearms to kill females, handguns were clearly the weapon of choice over rifles and shotguns. In 2019, 65 percent of female firearm homicide victims (596 out of 910) were killed with handguns.

https://vpc.org/when-men-murder-women/

Weapons in the Lives of Battered Women

Thanks for this, very useful. I found this interesting, and for that reason, I am glad that there is limited access to guns in the UK.
'Most often, females were killed by males in the course of an argument—most frequently with a firearm.'

 

[LeeJay55]

He was in a downward spiral, in almost like an out of control centrifuge. I might have felt empathy for him had he stopped himself before killing (IMO) Gabby. Now there's no going back. Man up, coward.

IMO

I think he left her when he flew back.to.Florida!
Why he returned is beyond me!

 

[nocommoncents]

Hammer or Mallet. Another possibility is a stone. Another possibility is that there was an argument, he pushed her and she fell, striking her head on a rock.

Would that be ruled a homicide though? Wouldn't that be "inconclusive"?

 

[Nikynoo]

Mustang wasn't there Monday evening, trying to find an early morning Monday photo or Sunday evening photo but can't find one. It's my understanding most reporters didn't descend on the residence until the Monday evening timeframe. https://twitter.com/EvanAxelbank/status/1446967163072438274

I can't see it there on the 14th - but it is there on the 15th.

 

[Kurzz10]

So we don't yet know cause of death, does that mean her family would not either?

 

[NuttMegg]

I removed my post, because I am not sure. But I still believe that that one audio of a call, indicated that the woman was slapping the man.

The article states:
"The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie to go take a walk to calm down, she didn’t want to be separated from the male, and began slapping him," the report said. "He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed upon him and the van, he tried to lock her out and succeeded except for his driver’s door, she opened that and forced her way over him and into the vehicle before it drove off."

"A responding officer initially wrote that he believes "it was reported the male had been observed to have assaulted the female," but later wrote that "no one reported that the male struck the female."

confusing ....when you listen to the one audio call, i know...

That's been the main problem since day 1. The written statement by LE does not match the words said in the cop cam, nor does it accurately reflect what the first eye witness said. IE that the man was slapping and hitting the woman. Not mutual DV.

 

[ctmom]

By chance, do you know who was asking the questions? Was it the same people who were harassing CaL and her family?

BBM

Respectfully, what difference does it make who is asking the questions?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your post came across, to me, as if you're attempting to imply that the folks asking the questions are, in some way... "harassing".

Here in the US, we have the 1st Amendment for freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

I might be way off here but, as annoying as the folks might have been at CaL's house, the folks there were there as protestors, have a right to free speech, asked their questions, got answers and, as promised, have not returned to her house since that interview took place.

Unless there is a Protective Order in place, personally, I just don't see how anyone asking questions from a public street would constitute any form of "harassment".

jmo

 

[Periwinkl3]

Because media was there and had footage of the Mustang in/not in the driveway that did not match up with the original dates released by SB prompted the correction to the dates IMO

I'm saying that IMO, if BL is indeed dead, whenever that may have happened, the parents being "confused" about a date after GP's demise will not be material, even if some charge can be brought against them.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Again, for reference.

Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21, MEDIA, MAPS *NO DISCUSSION*

Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21 TIMELINE thread *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[Keyedin]

Mustang wasn't there Monday evening, trying to find an early morning Monday photo or Sunday evening photo but can't find one. It's my understanding most reporters didn't descend on the residence until the Monday evening timeframe. https://twitter.com/EvanAxelbank/status/1446967163072438274

Here's an article originally published on 9/13. It references a photo of Chris Laundrie mowing his lawn on Monday (which would be the 13th) and shows the front of the Laundrie home (sans Mustang).
Mom of missing Florida girl, 22, pleads for help to find her daughter | Daily Mail Online

It was originally posted at 16:07 (4:07 p.m.). I've been hung up on the 12th and 13th dates, so I've been trying to really narrow down that time frame. So here's some research I've done.

I was able to find a daily weather history on WeatherUnderground for Punta Gorda, which is approximately 18 miles away. It showed light rain starting at 5:49 p.m. and ending somewhere between 6 and 6:30 p.m.

For Venice Muni Station, which is approximately 14.5 miles, it reported thunder beginning around 3:15, heavy rain at 3:55 pm. and continuing off and on until about 7:15 p.m.

If the article was posted on the 13th at approx. 4:00 p.m., then the photos had to have been taken earlier in the day. Taking into consideration the afternoon rain beginning around 3 p.m., we can safely assume they were taken before 3.

WeatherUnderground also reflects a high of 91 degrees at noon, so I would venture to guess they were taken the morning of the 13th because he wouldn't want to cut grass in the middle of the day. Clearly that is an assumption, and I am still trying to narrow that down.

We also have this video from Fox 13 at 6:03 p.m. I'm basing the p.m. off the fact that the news anchor says at the beginning "developing tonight." She then flips to one of their reporters who is live in front of the home. The Mustang is not there, the Dodge truck is.

There is a second video from Fox 13 during their 10 p.m. broadcast and they go back to the same reporter who is live again in front of the Laundrie home.

I took a screenshot of the second video and turned the exposure WAY up in an attempt to see the background. There's probably a much better way to do this and achieve better results, but I was trying to do it on the fly. It looks like the truck is in the background.

Something that caught my attention - if you look at the first video from the 6 p.m. broadcast, the truck is backed directly underneath the camper. In the second broadcast, if I am right in what I'm seeing, the truck is now facing the camper and possibly a little more towards the left. I uploaded both photos for reference. If that's true, then obviously the truck was moved at some point between 6 p.m. and 10 p.m.

 

[Nikynoo]

I’m copying another post I made here. They don’t appear to be swatting. And they started on the 10th, the day before GP was reported missing.

“The calls on 9/10/21 are reported to have come from inside the house.

“
Two 911 calls were made from the Laundrie home on September 10, nine days after 23-year-old Brian returned home to Florida without Gabby.

One of the calls, both cited to be a "Public Service" CFS, came at 3.58pm, documents show.

The second came just over two hours later at 6.29pm.”


Three 911 calls 'were made from family home day Gabby was reported missing'


The 46 pages of redacted 911 calls can be seen here:
Brian Laundrie manhunt: Dozens of police calls to Florida home after Gabby Petito was last seen | Fox News “

Does anyoe know what the codes are on the call logs? what does 'Public Service mean?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I removed my post, because I am not sure. But I still believe that that one audio of a call, indicated that the woman was slapping the man.

The article states:
"The male tried to create distance by telling Gabbie to go take a walk to calm down, she didn’t want to be separated from the male, and began slapping him," the report said. "He grabbed her face and pushed her back as she pressed upon him and the van, he tried to lock her out and succeeded except for his driver’s door, she opened that and forced her way over him and into the vehicle before it drove off."

"A responding officer initially wrote that he believes "it was reported the male had been observed to have assaulted the female," but later wrote that "no one reported that the male struck the female."

confusing ....when you listen to the one audio call, i know...

The written report does not match with the 911 call and some parts of the LE video which is why I believe they are investigating how the call was handled and why the report does not reflect the 911 call. I am not negating Gabby’s participation/contribution, that she was not also being physical with him but the 911 call clearly stated he saw him slapping her, it is in the 911 call transcript.


Dispatcher: Grand County Sheriff's Office. Hi, can you hear me sir?

Caller: Yeah. Hi, I'm calling. I'm right on the corner of Main Street by moonflower. And we're driving by and I'd like to report a domestic dispute to Florida with a white that Florida license plate. White Van, gentlemen. 5'6 Beard.

Dispatcher: Where's it at?

Caller: They just drove off. They're going down Main Street. They made a right onto Main Street off Moonflower

Dispatcher: Or what were they doing?

Caller: But what do you say?

Dispatcher: What were they doing?


Caller: We drove by them. A gentleman was slapping the girl

Dispatcher: He was slapping her?

Caller: Yes. And then we stopped. They ran up and down the sidewalk. He proceeded to hit her, hops in the car. And they drove off

 

[MLaps]

hello everyone - took a few days off so going to attempt catching up.

I am getting less hopeful because of how quiet everything has been - but may today be the day there is justice for Gabby.

 

[nocommoncents]

I believe that some are trying to shift the blame to Gabby. Arguing about who slapped who first, they were obviously fighting all the time and who instigated it, doesn't matter at all since the 110pound, little one, ended up dead. Sounds like they are cooking up self-defense for poor little Bri-Bri. Ridiculous! jmo

I don't think that's what's happening at all. We can say that her physical violence was wrong without blaming her for her own murder. She didn't deserve this and if he had any case for self-defense he and his attorney would've claimed it.

 

[Nikynoo]

As far as I can tell, only one person saw Brian hit Gabby, and if that was Chris he changed his mind on the police report and conversation with officer.

Can we confirm that there were two witnesses that spoke with LE? WHO made the phone call??

Morgan Wolfe on Twitter: "Here’s the witness statement from Chris. The time on the document shows it was gathered before @moabpolice caught up with #GabbyPetito The info here matches up w/ the couples story they told police besides this — they didn’t mention #Laundrie took her phone. https://t.co/3l7USMc3cP" / Twitter

I have seen "professionals" on TV comment there were multiple witnesses saying Brian hit Gabby, but I can't find multiple witnesses saying this. I think there is a lot of false information going around.

I think the 911 call reporting the altercation is a different person. Chris witnessed it and offered to give a statement if police needed it. He gave his details. Here is the 911 call

 

[Ruminations]

curious- what happens if a homeless person loses an ID? seems as if that could happen pretty easily... does anybody know?

Homeless shelters wouldn’t exclude someone for not having ID, but the homeless person would have to help them and/or social services to replace it, if he wanted to continue to occupy a cot. If he gave a name, place of birth, age, dob, mother’s name, etc., it would have to match with a real person, or the gig would be over in a few days. If the real person were dead, that would be discovered very quickly. If the real person were, for example, earning wages in the same state as the the shelter, that would be discovered fairly quickly, too. He possibly could buy time by stealing the ID of an out of state person, as long as that person is not on public assistance. If the real person were on assistance in another state, that would be discovered. It’s not that easy. And if he remained evasive and forgetful, staff would turn to LE to make sure he is not a fleeing felon.

There are plenty of people living under bridges, etc. Who appear at shelters when the weather is unbearable. They are a diverse group themselves, but Brian would have a look of recent dental work-and not by a Medicaid dentist. He would be lugging REÍ camping equipment rather than using a shopping cart. I expect that shelter staff would suspect he was not giving an accurate back story early on.

 

[ShadyLady]

It is not clear why they did not follow up with the original caller. The original caller left a phone number but was not from Moab. Chris was a local who lived in town and had a Moab address. Sources: 911 call; police report.

Ha...found it:

Morgan Wolfe on Twitter: "#UPDATE @GCSheriffUtah has DENIED our request for the 911 call that a man placed outside of the Co-Op where Petito and Laundrie were seen arguing. What investigation? Moab PD say they decided their was no evidence to move forward with charges. #KSLTV https://t.co/dU7c1r2IGV" / Twitter

That is why I never saw it. DENIED.

And now I wonder if LE spoke to more than two people but did not file a report.

Van-Life Couple Got Into Physical Fight Days Before 22-Year-Old Vanished, Police Docs Reveal (yahoo.com)

 

[Chicago54]

Re: 911 calls
Right now , in the search for finding BL, I am more puzzled by the 911 calls and LE response to the L home starting on the 10th. The 10th was before the missing person report was filed, before the media and protestors were camping out front, before laundry baskets and flowers were defiling their precious lawn, before there were bullhorns, before Dog was at the door-so why were there 2 calls on the 10th and subsequently, 4 on the 11th???

Iirc on the 10th GP’s family started reaching out to the family of the man that their daughter loved. And that is when I think the *^%# hit the fan. I think that is when the Ls turned away from their phones and said to BL, (something along the lines of…) “wait a minute, G isn’t home after a fight like you said…, where the heck is she?” And having lived with this young troubled couple for quite a bit, and knowing what they had seen and heard, these parents had an Anthony lightbulb moment akin to opening a car truck, and an argument ensued.

And IMO the argument must have pretty bad. I don’t know about most of you, but it usually takes a lot to punch those numbers. The last time my family called 911, I was having a heart attack. So I figure tensions and fear and anger were at an all time high when 911 started to be punched from the Laundry home. I wonder if LE laid eyes on BL during ANY of their responses on the 10th or 11th? My guess isBL skedaddled after a screaming match with C and R ( and forget the new phone). IMO, they didn’t report him missing cuz they thought he’d be back.
then they called SB, and the “stories” began.

I hope Fox has made another FOIA request to get those 911 reports in full. The fact that they are so redacted speaks to me. If that info did not have anything to do with GP, and be important to future legal proceedings, I don’t believe they would be redacted at all.

Moo moo moo

 

[danij614]

I think that's a detail skipped over a lot in conversation here. From the 911 call and Moab incident, it does seem like GP fought back, physically. She didn't appear to cower in a corner while being hit, their altercations, at least by that point, were maybe mutually physical. I'm not blaming her, nor do I need an education about DV victims, I'm just thinking there is a good chance they were in a physical altercation when she died. Am I claiming self-defense on BL's part? No, extremely doubtful. But I think you make a valid point about strangulation and her fighting back.

Because I think she was killed at their campsite, I've asked myself what would be around there, not kept in the van. I think... small propane tanks, knifes (for cooking), bungee cords, rocks, fire skewers, fire itself, BL's fist, etc. I'm wondering if COD might end up being blunt force trauma to the head, but they could tell the force or angle or imprint was by murder rather than a fall. Idk.

Im wondering because, someone please correct me if Im wrong, no one has seen a picture or video of BL since the Moab incident. If he took money from an ATM (of which most have cameras), if there is video of him at the Benton, IL gas station stop, if there is video from the AT&T store, if there is surveillance video from the Fort DeSoto Campground, does any of it show markings on BL that could possibly be attributed to another physical altercation between he and GP after Moab. Newer scratches, bruising, whatever. Has any of those pics or videos yet been released? I dont recall seeing any,