CA - 2-month old baby found dead in hot car - June 20, 2024

[MsMarple]

My apologies for jumping in w a question without reading all the links.

I've missed any info about dads' EMPLOYMENT.

Did both have jobs w 9 to 5 type hours? If so, seems babysitter, fam member, or day care is part of this family's daily life.
Room for pick up/drop off confusion?

Any MSM stmts re their employment?
A link, if handy? TiA

According to the link dad Romer became a stay at home dad after they adopted the first child.

PICTURED: Baby girl who died after being left in hot car 'for hours'

Diana Sofia Aleman Roman was found unresponsive in the SUV outside her home in Santee, San Diego, two months after her parents Romer and Jayson De Los Santos adopted her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SMK777]

My apologies for jumping in w a question without reading all the links.

I've missed any info about dads' EMPLOYMENT.

Did both have jobs w 9 to 5 type hours? If so, seems babysitter, fam member, or day care is part of this family's daily life.
Room for pick up/drop off confusion?

Any MSM stmts re their employment?
A link, if handy? TiA

Romer, a senior consultant at Jama Software, and Jayson, a stay-at-home dad since they adopted their son, have been together for more than 20 years.

PICTURED: Baby girl who died after being left in hot car 'for hours'

Diana Sofia Aleman Roman was found unresponsive in the SUV outside her home in Santee, San Diego, two months after her parents Romer and Jayson De Los Santos adopted her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[al66pine]

@MsMarple @SMK777
Thanks so much for the quotes and links.
You two never miss a beat.

 

[SMK777]

@MsMarple @SMK777
Thanks so much for the quotes and links.
You two never miss a beat.

Most welcome!

 

[Cardgame]

Everyone following this, please, if you can bear to, read the following article from Washington post.

It's such an interesting deep dive into how these things happen, and also reveals why the automotive industry isn't doing more to fight it, eg like with seat belt bleepers.

Trigger warning, it contains some very distressing content.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

 

[SMK777]

Everyone following this, please, if you can bear to, read the following article from Washington post.

It's such an interesting deep dive into how these things happen, and also reveals why the automotive industry isn't doing more to fight it, eg like with seat belt bleepers.

Trigger warning, it contains some very distressing content.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

Thanks for this. I’m still reading, but I must say the opening about the defendant made me very sad, and I would not ever, ever wish prison on such an obviously distraught father, who had been an exemplary and loving parent before his tragic error.

 

[SMK777]

From the article:

After a long shift at work, a Portsmouth, Va., sanitation department electrician named Andrew Culpepper picked up his toddler son from his parents, drove home, went into the house and then fell asleep, forgetting he’d had the boy in the car, leaving him to bake to death outside his home.

It makes me wonder if this might apply in the current case.

 

[SMK777]

Very illuminating.

Warschauer is a Fulbright scholar, specializing in the use of laptops to spread literacy to children. In the summer of 2003, he returned to his office from lunch to find a crowd surrounding a car in the parking lot. Police had smashed the window open with a crowbar. Only as he got closer did Warschauer realize it was his car. That was his first clue that he’d forgotten to drop his 10-month-old son, Mikey, at day care that morning. Mikey was dead.
Warschauer wasn’t charged with a crime, but for months afterward he contemplated suicide. Gradually, he says, the urge subsided, if not the grief and guilt.
“We lack a term for what this is,” Warschauer says. And also, he says, we need an understanding of why it happens to the people it happens to.

 

[clorenc]

My apologies for jumping in w a question without reading all the links.

I've missed any info about dads' EMPLOYMENT.

Did both have jobs w 9 to 5 type hours? If so, seems babysitter, fam member, or day care is part of this family's daily life.
Room for pick up/drop off confusion?

Any MSM stmts re their employment?
A link, if handy? TiA

“Romer, a senior consultant at Jama Software, and Jayson, a stay-at-home dad since they adopted their son, have been together for more than 20 years.”

PICTURED: Baby girl who died after being left in hot car 'for hours'

Diana Sofia Aleman Roman was found unresponsive in the SUV outside her home in Santee, San Diego, two months after her parents Romer and Jayson De Los Santos adopted her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[clorenc]

“Romer, a senior consultant at Jama Software, and Jayson, a stay-at-home dad since they adopted their son, have been together for more than 20 years.”

PICTURED: Baby girl who died after being left in hot car 'for hours'

Diana Sofia Aleman Roman was found unresponsive in the SUV outside her home in Santee, San Diego, two months after her parents Romer and Jayson De Los Santos adopted her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oops, I didn’t see that this has already been answered!

 

[Lilibet]

Everyone following this, please, if you can bear to, read the following article from Washington post.

It's such an interesting deep dive into how these things happen, and also reveals why the automotive industry isn't doing more to fight it, eg like with seat belt bleepers.

Trigger warning, it contains some very distressing content.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/fatal-distraction-forgetting-a-child-in-thebackseat-of-a-car-is-a-horrifying-mistake-is-it-a-crime/2014/06/16/8ae0fe3a-f580-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html

I remember this article. It’s both heartbreaking and thought-provoking. Thanks for posting it.

 

[SMK777]

So another thing I gleaned from that Washington Post piece is that one answer to the question, how could you not notice in a 9 hour period that your infant is not in need of a bottle, a diaper change; is not crying, etc.is that it’s possible that you thought you dropped the baby off somewhere, and she’s happy and cared for.

My only question is why didn’t the grandparent, sitter, or whoever you meant to drop her off with, call and ask where she is? Maybe an impromptu drop off you don’t need to schedule?

 

[al66pine]

A new story about a close call w hot car situation elsewhere w 3 preschooler sibs alone, but thankfully different outcome than w baby in this thread.

San Antonio, Tx. shopping mall on Fri. June 28. 2pm, a 1 mo-old, 2yo & 4yo were
"... rescued from a turned off car after a passerby found them trapped inside."
Mom, Angela Garza-Amador, was arrested on 3 counts of child endangerment.

"... temperature reached the high 90s. Police said they were in there for about 50 minutes."

Those poor kids left alone. I started a thread

Hot Car, 3 Sibs, Rescued. Garza-Amador. 06-28-24

A close call: HOT CAR w 3 sibs. San Antonio TX, June 28, 2024. Thankfully a different outcome than other cases in this forum. "On Friday around 2pm, a one-month-old, two-year-old and four-year-old were rescued from a turned off car after a passerby found them trapped inside. "... temperature...

www.websleuths.com

Bystanders rescue three children from sweltering car in Texas

Three young children were rescued in a hot car in San Antonio, Texas on Friday afternoon after their mother, Angela Garza-Amador, left them inside to go shopping.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Back to SOPHIA & the Santee, CA. situation.

 

[LadyL]

Yes, if there is ever a time to use grub hub or postmates, it's when you are home with a 2 yr old and their 4 month old sister.

what is grubhub and postmates?

 

[HmmMysterious]

what is grubhub and postmates?

It's like Uber but for fast food. You order food from a restaurant that's listed on Grubhub/Postmates and a driver picks it up and drops it off @ your place.

 

[mickey2942]

@Cardgame thanks for the article. Thought provoking. I still don't understand it. No one is perfect.

 

[LadyL]

It's like Uber but for fast food. You order food from a restaurant that's listed on Grubhub/Postmates and a driver picks it up and drops it off @ your place.

is that in the States?
we have them here - just not those two

 

[HmmMysterious]

is that in the States?
we have them here - just not those two

Yes

 

[Cardgame]

So another thing I gleaned from that Washington Post piece is that one answer to the question, how could you not notice in a 9 hour period that your infant is not in need of a bottle, a diaper change; is not crying, etc.is that it’s possible that you thought you dropped the baby off somewhere, and she’s happy and cared for.

My only question is why didn’t the grandparent, sitter, or whoever you meant to drop her off with, call and ask where she is? Maybe an impromptu drop off you don’t need to schedule?

It's essentially like a massive accumulation of terrible luck. Eg in one of those cases the sitter had a new phone so her call didn't interrupt the mums meeting.

What is most fascinating/terrible to me about the article is the way it details the way the events all line up to create the most horrendous outcome.

But there are also systemic things, eg the fact that people are encouraged to have child seats facing the back so the driver can more easily forget the child is there. If it dozes off, doesn't make noise, their brain (probably a very very tired brain) has been interrupted by a stressful event, some random changes to an otherwise perfectly honed schedule....

It's that autopilot state which no one knows they are entering until they emerge from it.

Terrifying and heartbreaking.

 

[SMK777]

It's that autopilot state which no one knows they are entering until they emerge from it.

Well said.