MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #16

[TTF14]

Edit - I just want to add that the stuff about using "encrypted messaging" makes her actions seem nefarious. But it's important to note that except for SMS, pretty much every single messaging app uses end-to-end encryption. That includes iMessage, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc.

rsbm

Thank you for pointing this out.

 

[jepop]

The trial is all about a lot of dysfunction on so many levels whether it’s LE, the judge, the witnesses, JOK family etc
Just so many people looking for a scapegoat for John’s death.
Karen makes their perfect target. A successful educated woman. She has her own ideas and her own house AND her own money. And thrives despite her health issues.
I can hear it now
“Who does she think she is ? Does she think she’s better than us ?
I bet you can still hear the word spinster used in that area.
Old and dried up like Proctor said. She was a woman trying to get her clutches into JOK. And he rejected her so she killed him. I bet you can hear “ you know if he had not been with Karen that night he would not be dead “.
It’s obvious to me that a lot of these people don’t want evidence they want a lynching of Karen Read.
JMO

I have to agree and these very thoughts have been in my mind on and off for weeks. Thank you for articulating your thoughts which are so similar to my own.

When I read a few hours ago the Commonwealth's announcement that they intended to retry this case, my thought was they were publicly placing themselves as leaders in the renewed effort to continue the scapegoating of Karen Read. This can be true alongside all the other political and 'saving of face' rationales that explain such a hasty announcment.IMO. And there would be no need to make such an announcement to save face if the cw believed in justice through fair judicial process and evidence for JO. And fair trial for the then presumed innocent defendant KR. If they did, the announcement would be 'Mistrial indicates trial may have been brought in error. CW is reviewing' or similar. The corruption is deep. Jmo

 

[kittythehare]

Basic common sense
JOK did not die from injuries sustained from a vehicle.
This could only be true if he had been walking on his head at the time of the impact
JOK was on his way to a party with people he did not know well, the head of the household was a person JOK allegedly looked up to.

He would not have rolled up walking on his hands or head because that would have looked stupid.

The most important piece of evidence in any trial is the victim's body.

The victim's body is the most important storyteller.

In this case the victim's body tells a story of an occipital head injury that caused death. No bruising, no fractures.

Go figure.

 

[ch_13]

So, they've relieved Proctor of duty. But what about his superiors and fellow officers to whom he sent all those awful texts? Not one of them rebuked him or reported his misdeeds.

I'm very curious about this office group chat. Did they only discuss Karen Read or did Proctor also make comments about other women accused of crimes? What about female victims or witnesses? And was it one-way, with Proctor spewing this stuff to the other cops, or did others also write similar texts?

I'm guessing the MSP going to try and sweep all that under the rug. Only look at the texts that relate to the Karen Read case and claim that the other troopers did nothing wrong.

 

[CTPDMom]

No double jeopardy for a mistrial.

Correct.

But it was asked if they decide not to retry, then does double jeopardy apply. And I think if they come out and say they're dropping the charges, the judge can decide with/without prejudice. WITH prejudice would mean they CANNOT refile charges. Without prejudice would mean they can refile. I don't know CW law, but this is my basic, general understanding. Legal experts feel free to chime in!

 

[shotgun09]

So, they've relieved Proctor of duty. But what about his superiors and fellow officers to whom he sent all those awful texts? Not one of them rebuked him or reported his misdeeds.

I'm very curious about this office group chat. Did they only discuss Karen Read or did Proctor also make comments about other women accused of crimes? What about female victims or witnesses? And was it one-way, with Proctor spewing this stuff to the other cops, or did others also write similar texts?

I'm guessing the MSP going to try and sweep all that under the rug. Only look at the texts that relate to the Karen Read case and claim that the other troopers did nothing wrong.

My guess, is that's not a broom being used. It's an automated "Roomba", sent straight from the top. ' Nothing to see here, folks'..... " Look over there".

POOF !!! Everything is fine now.

smh

 

[BUF]

I keep checking back here to see if a juror has spoken about the split numbers. Do you think any will talk?

Although I believe their names have been sealed, I would imagine reporters are trying for an interview…some can be pretty resourceful.

 

[typical_vacation]

I was recently on a county jury in Wisconsin (obviously different from this case) for a minor charge, comparatively.
I was a little taken aback when they referred to us jurors by name? I was like woah hey don’t out me like that!
So I’m really surprised that it’s even possible to release juror names in any cases. I would be so anxious if my name was released on such a fertilizer show.

 

[kittythehare]

I keep checking back here to see if a juror has spoken about the split numbers. Do you think any will talk?

Although I believe their names have been sealed, I would imagine reporters are trying for an interview…some can be pretty resourceful.

I don't know. I'm currently scraping the bowels of the internet for a crumb.. Nothing detected so far that is remotely credible.

All I saw, which is credible because pics were posted is that somebody hung a dead turtle with a hole in it's head outside the blogger boy's parents' home this morning.
That's kinda shocking to me. Local police investigating.

 

[TristanP]

An internal affairs investigation has been opened::

"This follows our previous decision to open an internal affairs investigation after information about serious misconduct emerged in testimony at the trial. This investigation is ongoing."

Michael Proctor relieved of duty, state police say after Karen Read mistrial

Massachusetts State Police have taken action against Trooper Michael Proctor after a mistrial was declared Monday in the case against Karen Read. Proctor drew heavy criticism after testifying in the case, for which he served as the lead investigator, revealing a series of inappropriate texts he...

www.nbcboston.com

What makes me mad is that the “serious misconduct” has been known for months. It didn’t just “emerge” during testimony.

They only *took action* because the info emerged in testimony.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Wow. I’m shocked the hammer dropped on proctor so quickly. This time next year he’ll probably be on a Florida beach collecting a pension.

The interesting thing will be what happens in a re-trial. If Proctor is facing any charges he could refuse to answer any questions and make it difficult for both the prosecution and the defense.

 

[TIGER0822]

Hos long to die in the cold.
I bet McCabe (?) was texting to give ‘the right answer’ to medical personnel.

 

[shotgun09]

What makes me mad is that the “serious misconduct” has been known for months. It didn’t just “emerge” during testimony.

They only *took action* because the info emerged in testimony.

The "serious misconduct" testified and admitted to OUT LOUD in court was a serious infringement on KR's human rights, civil rights, and her Constitutional Right to a fair trial. Shame on everyone involved in this fiasco. IMO

 

[BrownRice]

This is the first case I've watched where objections didn't have to be explained and she could just rule on them. Didn't like it at all.

And first time I’ve ever seen a judge actually suggest objections!

 

[TTF14]

And first time I’ve ever seen a judge actually suggest objections!

Yes! This!

 

[kittythehare]

I'm feeling AWFUL about the result of this case.
AWFUL.
Beyond outrage.
It was never meant to be like this.
Bottomless pit .
No end in sight.

How's everybody else?

 

[BrownRice]

If all jurors came back NG on the second degree murder but were quibbling over the lesser charges, would the DA decide to retry on lesser charges only.

 

[waldojabba]

The "serious misconduct" testified and admitted to OUT LOUD in court was a serious infringement on KR's human rights, civil rights, and her Constitutional Right to a fair trial. Shame on everyone involved in this fiasco. IMO

The abuse of Karen was perpetuated by holding off on this announcement until after a verdict. You can bet they held off so not to taint Proctors testimony or to negatively impact their hoped for guilty verdict.
IF there is another trial, the D will be all over this.
I recall AJ asking Procter if he was still active and employed in his position working cases etc. And he said Yes.
So the impression was given to the jury - nothing to see here folks - all is on the up and up.
Snakes

JMO.

 

[shotgun09]

I recall AJ asking Procter if he was still active and employed in his position working cases etc. And he said Yes.
So the impression was given to the jury - nothing to see here folks - all is on the up and up.
Snakes

JMO.

RSandBBM:

To quote Alan Jackson during the trial: " EXACTLY ".

Game On

 

[cocomod]

That was the most puzzling thing... The investigation has been going on for more than 1.5 years. The FBI must have an idea if charges are pending, and yet the judge saw the 3000 pages of information the FBI released and let the trial go forward. Perhaps the investigation is not investigating what we think it is?

I don't know, I have seen the FBI investigate and not move in for 3 years when they had a person on child *advertiser censored*. I think there is so much red tape, plus they are investigating how this affected not just this trial but others as well. I believe they could still be planning on doing something.