FL - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 40 counts, classified documents and obstruction of justice, June 2023, Trial May 2024 #2

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Niner said:
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669. PAPERLESS ORDER temporarily granting in part and reserving ruling in part on Defendant Trump's Motion for Supplemental Briefing on Presidential Immunity and a Partial Stay [664]. In order to allow for full briefing on the Motion, and consistent with the Special Counsel's request for the standard response period, the Court stays the following impending deadlines: Defendants' Rule 16 expert disclosures, currently due July 8, 2024; Defendants' reciprocal discovery, currently due July 10, 2024; and Special Counsel's CIPA �� 5-6 submission, currently due July 10, 2024, although the Special Counsel may proceed with filing should it so elect. On or before July 18, 2024, the Special Counsel shall respond to Defendant Trump's Motion to Stay and Request for Supplemental Briefing on Presidential Immunity. Any reply is due July 21, 2024. The Court reserves ruling on the request for additional briefing pending receipt of the Special Counsel's response and Defendants' reply. No other deadlines are impacted by this Order. Signed by Judge Aileen M. Cannon on 7/6/2024. (jf01) (filed: 07/06/2024)

link: https://www.docketbird.com/court-cases/USA-v-Sealed/flsd-9:2023-cr-80101-648652re
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I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear what Jack Smith has to say about this case and the Jan 6 case since the Supreme Court ruling.
 
Inthedetails said:
He took the documents after he was president, he hid them after he was president, he lied about them after he was president, he moved them from place to place after he was president.

jmo
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Just like every former President has done for the past 30 years.


Page 63, testimony from a director at the National Archives. Every single administration since Reagan has kept classified information that they weren't supposed to. 5 former presidents, and at least 2 former vice presidents, the gov had to go get classified materials from offices, libraries, garages, etc.
In Mar Lago, the GSA was allowed in to inspect the storage. Some of those documents the GSA, on their own, sent to Mar Lago.

Why is this case different than the previous 30+ years where the GSA and National Archives didn't need to send the FBI?
Why is this a criminal case but it wasn't when it was Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden (with classified material he kept while a senator, long before becoming CP or Prez)? Or any of the countless members of Congress that have illegally kept classified material unsecured?
They ALL did the same thing.
 
Slick762 said:
Just like every former President has done for the past 30 years.


Page 63, testimony from a director at the National Archives. Every single administration since Reagan has kept classified information that they weren't supposed to. 5 former presidents, and at least 2 former vice presidents, the gov had to go get classified materials from offices, libraries, garages, etc.
In Mar Lago, the GSA was allowed in to inspect the storage. Some of those documents the GSA, on their own, sent to Mar Lago.

Why is this case different than the previous 30+ years where the GSA and National Archives didn't need to send the FBI?
Why is this a criminal case but it wasn't when it was Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden (with classified material he kept while a senator, long before becoming CP or Prez)? Or any of the countless members of Congress that have illegally kept classified material unsecured?
They ALL did the same thing.
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By same thing do you mean ignoring repeated requests from the National Archives to return confidential materials?
Are you referring to concealing documents when the FBI comes calling after repeated requests to return them to the government are disregarded?
Do you have information about them sharing secret materials with visitors?
 
Slick762 said:
Just like every former President has done for the past 30 years.


Page 63, testimony from a director at the National Archives. Every single administration since Reagan has kept classified information that they weren't supposed to. 5 former presidents, and at least 2 former vice presidents, the gov had to go get classified materials from offices, libraries, garages, etc.
In Mar Lago, the GSA was allowed in to inspect the storage. Some of those documents the GSA, on their own, sent to Mar Lago.

Why is this case different than the previous 30+ years where the GSA and National Archives didn't need to send the FBI?
Why is this a criminal case but it wasn't when it was Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden (with classified material he kept while a senator, long before becoming CP or Prez)? Or any of the countless members of Congress that have illegally kept classified material unsecured?
They ALL did the same thing.
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There is no “whataboutism” possible when comparing Trump’s hoarding of documents with the other cases you mention.

Upon reading the entire document you linked from the hearing with National Archives employees, it appears that the entire process of keeping track of the documents in each administration varies depending on who is President. The final packing of boxes before leaving the White House is chaotic, with no real oversight. Even though classified documents are clearly marked, they can end up presumably accidentally commingled with unclassified documents.

When the NA realized they were missing three Trump documents that were public knowledge, it took a year to get the box back. They were not told that classified documents were also in that box. (Pg 74, lines 16-24). Trump’s lack of cooperation, storing boxes where members of his club could access them, moving and hiding boxes, claiming he could declassify documents just by thinking it all show that he knew he shouldn’t have those documents and was determined to keep them. THAT is why this is a criminal case, unlike the others who had classified documents mixed in and returned them promptly when asked for them.

JMO
 
Lilibet said:
There is no “whataboutism” possible when comparing Trump’s hoarding of documents with the other cases you mention.

Upon reading the entire document you linked from the hearing with National Archives employees, it appears that the entire process of keeping track of the documents in each administration varies depending on who is President. The final packing of boxes before leaving the White House is chaotic, with no real oversight. Even though classified documents are clearly marked, they can end up presumably accidentally commingled with unclassified documents.

When the NA realized they were missing three Trump documents that were public knowledge, it took a year to get the box back. They were not told that classified documents were also in that box. (Pg 74, lines 16-24). Trump’s lack of cooperation, storing boxes where members of his club could access them, moving and hiding boxes, claiming he could declassify documents just by thinking it all show that he knew he shouldn’t have those documents and was determined to keep them. THAT is why this is a criminal case, unlike the others who had classified documents mixed in and returned them promptly when asked for them.

JMO
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Thank you for expressing clarity regarding this issue. The Government gave Trump so much time to do the right thing and return all of the classified documents but he didn't cooperate- he lied and said he returned them all, when in fact that was not the case.
apnews.com

A timeline of the investigation into Trump's Mar-a-Lago docs

WASHINGTON (AP) — The search of former President Donald Trump' s Mar-a-Lago club for classified documents and other government records may have come as a surprise to the public.
apnews.com apnews.com

This reflects the reality of the situation
 
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