UK- Two suitcases believed to contain human remains found, man seen acting suspiciously @ Clifton Suspension Bridge, Bristol, 11 July 2024

[rockthecasbah]

JMO- but having used the London to Bristol train route for years it isn't that unusual for people to have a lot of often heavy luggage- the racks are usually full and people will often help others out without thinking much of it. I suspect given the what seems to be pretty chaotic and poorly thought out nature of all of this it wasn't considered that even when deceased blood will often 'leak'; I doubt it was thought about and depending on the journey it's not a given this would have been an issue on the train, if they were transported this way. It sounds wild knowing what was in them, but a man travelling with 2 cases even if they were super heavy wouldn't stick out as being overly unusual, neither would people helping lift them.

Wouldn't they smell?

 

[BackseatDriver]

Wouldn't they smell?

From personal experience of emergency services work - not necessarily if they were killed recently.

It's usually a couple of days before a noticeable odour begins (dependent on weather). In the UK it has recently been mild and humid - but not particularly hot. Around 13-18 degrees Celsius.

 

[Inthedetails]

A man has been charged with the murder of two men after human remains were found in London and Bristol.
Yostin Andres Mosquera, 34, of Scotts Road, Shepherd’s Bush, was arrested in Bristol in the early hours of Saturday morning.
The remains were found in suitcases at Clifton Suspension Bridge on Wednesday, while further remains were found at an address in Scotts Road on Friday.
The two victims have now been named as Alberto Alfonso, 62, and Paul Longworth, 71. Mr Longworth and Mr Alfonso had previously been in a relationship and still lived together at the Scotts Road flat.

Not looking for anyone else​

Both victims were known to the arrested man, Mr Mosquera, and he had been staying with them at their flat for a short period of time, the Metropolitan Police confirmed.
Mr Longworth was British and Mr Alfonso was originally from France with British citizenship.
Police said they did not believe, at this stage, it was a homophobic attack but it had been a categorised as a hate crime.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Andy Valentine said: "I hope it will be of some reassurance that whilst enquiries are still ongoing and the investigation is at a relatively early stage, we are not currently looking for anyone else in connection with the two murders.
“Officers have worked with the pan-London LGBTQ+ Independent Advisory Group (IAG) since the identity of the two victims and their sexuality was established. Their advice, expertise and support for the investigation has been extremely valuable."
Mr Mosquera will appear at Wimbledon Magistrates’ Court later today.

Clifton Suspension Bridge: Murder charge after men's remains found in Bristol and London

The remains of Albert Alfonso and Paul Longworth were found in suitcases in Bristol and at a London address.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think there was a violent disagreement over something in their home and the perp hurt and killed one, and then he had to kill the other. I don't think it was planned but a situation that escalated and my hunch it was about money.

I think the men might have been planning to go to Bristol anyway, so the perp went there with the hopes he could leave the bodies there to cast suspicion on someone attending the parade.

The hate-crime aspect might be that he hoped LE would suspect a Pride parade attendee as the perp.

jmo

 

[dotr]

Man charged with murder after human remains found in Bristol and London

A man has been charged with murder following the discovery of human remains in Bristol and at a flat in Shepherd’s Bush.

www.mnrjournal.co.uk

July 15 '24 rbbm
''Yostin Andres Mosquera, 34, of Scotts Road, W12 was arrested in Bristol in the early hours of Saturday (July 13) morning.
He was charged in the early hours of today (Monday, July 15) with two counts of murder and will appear in custody later today at Wimbledon Magistrates’ Court.''

“Officers have worked with the pan-London LGBTQ+ Independent Advisory Group (IAG) since the identity of the two victims and their sexuality was established. Their advice, expertise and support for the investigation has been extremely valuable.''
''Anyone who has information that may assist the investigation is urged to call police on 101 with the reference 306/12JUL. Information can also be provided to the LGBTQ+ charity Galop by visiting www.galop.org.uk''

 

[Catdetective]

Albert’s Flickr account. He seems to have travelled a lot, particularly in Colombia and Latin America.

 

[Alyce]

Mr Longworth was just days away from retiring and going travelling......

Neighbour who lives opposite their flat: 'Albert and Paul were lovely guys. It's devastating. They were both really friendly and polite and smiled a lot. I last saw Paul a month or so ago in the pub and he told me that he was retiring. He told me "I've only got two days left that I have to go to work".
'He was really happy about it. He said he was also due to go to Pride in Brighton.

Mr Longworth was a regular at the Shepherd and Flock pub close to his flat. A member of staff said..... He told me recently that he had just retired and was looking forward to travelling more....

Neighbours 'devastated' after remains of ex-couple found in suitcase

Yostin Andres Mosquera, 34, has been charged with the murder of two men, named by the Met Police as 62-year-old French national Albert Alfonso and his British ex-partner, 71-year-old Paul Longworth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Inthedetails]

Albert’s Flickr account. He seems to have travelled a lot, particularly in Colombia and Latin America.

Good find.

jmo

edited to add: he's definitely been to Colombia. The captions of the photos indicate the locations.

 

[JosieJo]

Good find.

jmo

edited to add: he's definitely been to Colombia. The captions of the photos indicate the locations.

Yes looks like he had a great love of the country for many years according to his photography.

They say every day is a school day but reading around Colombia now I didn't realise it was voted one of the best countries for Gay travel

 

[Inthedetails]

Mr Longworth was just days away from retiring and going travelling......

Neighbour who lives opposite their flat: 'Albert and Paul were lovely guys. It's devastating. They were both really friendly and polite and smiled a lot. I last saw Paul a month or so ago in the pub and he told me that he was retiring. He told me "I've only got two days left that I have to go to work".
'He was really happy about it. He said he was also due to go to Pride in Brighton.

Mr Longworth was a regular at the Shepherd and Flock pub close to his flat. A member of staff said..... He told me recently that he had just retired and was looking forward to travelling more....

Neighbours 'devastated' after remains of ex-couple found in suitcase

Yostin Andres Mosquera, 34, has been charged with the murder of two men, named by the Met Police as 62-year-old French national Albert Alfonso and his British ex-partner, 71-year-old Paul Longworth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I'd like to hear if the neighbors have seen the perp before - was he a familiar face to neighbors or a stranger?

jmo

 

[dotr]

July 15 '24
#Crime #Bristol #London
A man has been charged with murder following the discovery of human remains in two suitcases in Bristol and a London flat.

• 6 hours ago

Police investigating after two bodies were found in suitcases on Clifton Suspension Bridge in Bristol have named the victims and charged a man with murder July 15, 2024

 

[Russelhobb]

I'd like to hear if the neighbors have seen the perp before - was he a familiar face to neighbors or a stranger?

jmo

Good point. Was he part of the family?or not . Introduced to friends etc

 

[dotr]

Wondering if the perp had any connections to Medallin Colombia? speculation, imo.

Colombia- Eight 'suspicious' deaths of US men linked to dating apps, Medellin, 2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67947333 ''The US embassy in Bogota said some victims were drugged and robbed after meeting people on these apps. The incidents often occurred in cities like Medellin, Cartagena and Bogota where US tourism has picked up. Travellers are being told to...

www.websleuths.com

Sharp rise in attacks as 76 LGBT people murdered in Colombia in 2020 - justice for colombia

Colombia has seen a steep rise in attacks on LGBT people, with 76 murders committed in 2020. According to the LGBT rights organisation, Caribe Afirmativo, which co-produced the report into anti-LGBTI violence, the global pandemic exacerbated homophobia, discrimination and exclusion, increasing...

justiceforcolombia.org

2021

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes looks like he had a great love of the country for many years according to his photography.

They say every day is a school day but reading around Colombia now I didn't realise it was voted one of the best countries for Gay travel

I'm enjoying looking through his photos of places where I have never been before, but it is also making me sad as it hits this is about real people, not just "bodies in suitcases."

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Wondering if the perp had any connections to Medallin Colombia? speculation, imo.

Colombia- Eight 'suspicious' deaths of US men linked to dating apps, Medellin, 2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67947333 ''The US embassy in Bogota said some victims were drugged and robbed after meeting people on these apps. The incidents often occurred in cities like Medellin, Cartagena and Bogota where US tourism has picked up. Travellers are being told to...

www.websleuths.com

Sharp rise in attacks as 76 LGBT people murdered in Colombia in 2020 - justice for colombia

Colombia has seen a steep rise in attacks on LGBT people, with 76 murders committed in 2020. According to the LGBT rights organisation, Caribe Afirmativo, which co-produced the report into anti-LGBTI violence, the global pandemic exacerbated homophobia, discrimination and exclusion, increasing...

justiceforcolombia.org

2021

So the hate-crime aspect could be the men were lured specifically by their sexuality into being crime victims? idk

I'm still thinking one or both men hired the perp in some capacity (like personal assistant, household help, etc), and that's why he called one "jefe."

I do think it's possible they met in Colombia, hit it off, and one man or both arranged for him to move to U.K. Or, they met him in U.K. and were interested in him because of a connection to past travels to his country.

jmo

 

[jackal67]

One has to wonder why he didn't just leave the bodies in the home and leave on the next plane, where he could disappear and if they identified and found him claim they were alive when he left. No dismembering required. He went to a considerable trouble in removing them, perhaps to make it look like they just disappeared, but for what gain, if it hadn't gone wrong?

Exactly .Very strange behaviour on his part

 

[jackal67]

This new Daily Mail article shows a photo of the men with Yostin on some kind of speedboat. I mirror flipped the image and the logo on their life jackets seems to match Hotel Isla Del Encanto in Colombia - possibly where they met him?

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Great sleuthing !

 

[Michael_Rivers]

Wondering if the perp had any connections to Medallin Colombia? speculation, imo.

Colombia- Eight 'suspicious' deaths of US men linked to dating apps, Medellin, 2023

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-67947333 ''The US embassy in Bogota said some victims were drugged and robbed after meeting people on these apps. The incidents often occurred in cities like Medellin, Cartagena and Bogota where US tourism has picked up. Travellers are being told to...

www.websleuths.com

Sharp rise in attacks as 76 LGBT people murdered in Colombia in 2020 - justice for colombia

Colombia has seen a steep rise in attacks on LGBT people, with 76 murders committed in 2020. According to the LGBT rights organisation, Caribe Afirmativo, which co-produced the report into anti-LGBTI violence, the global pandemic exacerbated homophobia, discrimination and exclusion, increasing...

justiceforcolombia.org

2021

I thought I'd explore this further as your post and Russelhobb's really got me thinking and I discovered that violence towards the LGTBQ+ community is ongoing as stated in an article from the WOLA website. Within the article it states that although there is a number of legal frameworks in place within Latin America, with the strongest frameworks being within Colombia, they are rarely enforced with the country registering the highest number of killings of LGTBQ+ people over a five-year period. Other than for sourcing, I'll post the article up here for people to read should they have the time.

LGBT+ Rights and Peace in Colombia: The Paradox Between Law and Practice

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex Colombians have been granted momentous protections over the past two decades. Included in these feats is the historic recognition of LGBT+ people in the peace process with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the first in the world...

www.wola.org

 

[Inthedetails]

I thought I'd explore this further as your post and Russelhobb's really got me thinking and I discovered that violence towards the LGTBQ+ community is ongoing as stated in an article from the WOLA website. Within the article it states that although there is a number of legal frameworks in place within Latin America, with the strongest frameworks being within Colombia, they are rarely enforced with the country registering the highest number of killings of LGTBQ+ people over a five-year period. Other than for sourcing, I'll post the article up here for people to read should they have the time.

LGBT+ Rights and Peace in Colombia: The Paradox Between Law and Practice

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex Colombians have been granted momentous protections over the past two decades. Included in these feats is the historic recognition of LGBT+ people in the peace process with the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the first in the world...

www.wola.org

I'm curious if there are examples of this spilling into U.K. (or other countries) from Colombia? Is it a "goal" perhaps to leave the country through LGTBQ+ connections?

I'm thinking perhaps the perp used the couple as his ticket out of Colombia, perhaps not to intentionally kill them but to live a better life....but old habits die hard and he took advantage of them financially and then got violent??

Do we know when the perp arrived in UK?

jmo

 

[Smccat]

Mr Longworth was just days away from retiring and going travelling......

Neighbour who lives opposite their flat: 'Albert and Paul were lovely guys. It's devastating. They were both really friendly and polite and smiled a lot. I last saw Paul a month or so ago in the pub and he told me that he was retiring. He told me "I've only got two days left that I have to go to work".
'He was really happy about it. He said he was also due to go to Pride in Brighton.

Mr Longworth was a regular at the Shepherd and Flock pub close to his flat. A member of staff said..... He told me recently that he had just retired and was looking forward to travelling more....

Neighbours 'devastated' after remains of ex-couple found in suitcase

Yostin Andres Mosquera, 34, has been charged with the murder of two men, named by the Met Police as 62-year-old French national Albert Alfonso and his British ex-partner, 71-year-old Paul Longworth.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So in the last couple of weeks Paul has been spending more time at home following retirement from his work.
The hate crime may be to do with one of the victims is noted as having been a wheelchair user. I am just not sure I've seen anywhere where it says which one of them it was. Anyone else?

Hate crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[Rikissa]

Colombia legalized same-sex sexual activity in 1981, but there are other countries in Latin America where it has been legal much longer than in the US and the UK, or in other European countries. There are more than 10 countries in the Americas where same-sex sexual activity has legal since before 1900! and other places where it's never been illegal.

LGBT rights in the Americas - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org