PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2

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Kaley Smith said:
Did I hear correctly that there were 50,000 people at the rally? While it is certainly hard to keep an eye on that many people in an open air space, all of the surrounding buildings should have been secured. That's a nobrainer. I wonder who was assigned to be on that roof?
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I think someone might've added a 0 to that number. There are some wider crowd/venue shots available on YT. There was 1 big riser, 2 smaller ones (maybe 1000 attendees total on those), and then people on the grass with chairs and surely some others milling around standing (call that 2000 more). Throw in various LE, event staff, and whatever else and you might get a number you could "round up" to 5K.
 
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He registered to vote, 2022, in a political party before their 2024 candidate was chosen.
Two years later he tried to kill the candidate his party had chosen.
He wasn't old enough to have developed some radical ideology or had wanted to settle years of festering victimhood.

Some part of the verbalized plans of the candidate were going to hurt Crooks or someone Crooks cared for.

Imo
 
justtrish said:
This is laughable because how exactly is a building secured from within? Clearly it isn't and can't be because someone climbed it and was able to shoot people.

The fact it was a sloped roof is exactly what made it ideal for a shooter to hide!! The SS are highly trained individuals that are fully capable of standing or sitting on a slightly sloped roof. Good grief.
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So monitor the roof without actually standing on it.


jmo
 
So if he voted in the mid term elections in 2022, that is intresting. I wonder if he was intrested in local politics. I'll look and see what elections were going on in 2022 in Pa. Maybe he registered Republican because he supported some local candidates that are Republicans.. did he have a parting of ideas with anyone local.. has anyone locally (meaning state level) endorsed Trump publicly in recent months?
 
The US Secret Service increased security around former President Donald Trumpafter obtaining intelligence in recent weeks of an Iranian plot to assassinate him, according to people familiar with the situation.

“Secret Service learned of the increased threat from this threat stream,” the official told CNN. “NSC directly contacted USSS at a senior level to be absolutely sure they continued to track the latest reporting. USSS shared this information with the detail lead, and the Trump campaign was made aware of an evolving threat. In response to the increased threat, Secret Service surged resources and assets for the protection of former President Trump. All of this was in advance of Saturday.”
 
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any number of things he could've done. you can Google or better use your favorite GenAI. maybe that was all part of his plan to have more fame... leave no explanation/details and have people coming up with theories and conspiracies for decades.

I get the impression that part of what makes an attempt like this harder to defend is it doesn't seem like there was much planning, at all. he knew where Trump was. he got a gun. he got a ladder. he just went and did it. whatever he was doing with his car didn't come into play. "luck" certainly played into him not being stopped before he could shoot - but the lack of threats/manifestos/helpers/elaborate schemes would seem to make someone like him harder to detect.
 
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imstilla.grandma said:
The US Secret Service increased security around former President Donald Trumpafter obtaining intelligence in recent weeks of an Iranian plot to assassinate him, according to people familiar with the situation.

“Secret Service learned of the increased threat from this threat stream,” the official told CNN. “NSC directly contacted USSS at a senior level to be absolutely sure they continued to track the latest reporting. USSS shared this information with the detail lead, and the Trump campaign was made aware of an evolving threat. In response to the increased threat, Secret Service surged resources and assets for the protection of former President Trump. All of this was in advance of Saturday.”
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Mercy !
If THAT is what 'Increased Security' looks like....we are in trouble.... Just sayin'
 
Inthedetails said:
What happened in Feb/March?

jmo
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I think that is a very good question.

Maybe the death of a cherished relative or a perceived "last chance" relationship break up? He then opts for what he thinks will be a fast and efficient "Suicide by Secret Service".

His suicide still occurs- but no where near as efficient as it needed to be for security reasons. Perhaps he is surprised that he can even approach the area with a rifle?

What ever the life changing event might have occurred (if there was one), he seems to have kept it quiet in regards to social media.
 
thebedbug said:
any number of things he could've done. you can Google or better use your favorite GenAI. maybe that was all part of his plan to have more fame... leave no explanation/details and have people coming up with theories and conspiracies for decades.

I get the impression that part of what makes an attempt like this harder to defend is it doesn't seem like there was much planning, at all. he knew where Trump was. he got a gun. he got a ladder. he just went and did it. whatever he was doing with his car didn't come into play. "luck" certainly played into him not being stopped before he could shoot - but the lack of threats/manifestos/helpers/elaborate schemes would seem to make someone like him harder to detect.
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Sounds like just a minute or so after he threatened the county police guy as he was hoisted up to the edge of the roof.
The local guy drops to the ground, and just after, Crooks fires insanely accurately nearly a football field plus 40 yards away, very nearly achieving head shot of trump. Crooks had nerves of steel. He was dedicated beyond belief, and I say this as a former hunter. Like running an obstacle course then immediately shooting someone so far away.

Biggest mystery to me so far, if 3 county guys kind of subcontracted to usss (iirc), were in the bldg, photographed Crooks, saw him return with a duffle bag, saw his range finding directly towards trump....why didn't they, er, go out and apprehend him? The part about relaying the photo to a command center sounds lame.

So there were at least 2 local cops "hoisting" one of them up to the roof, 3 county guys inside the building manning some superfax each time they saw the SAME guy in the most suspicious of circumstances, yet they waited for someone to tell them what to do?
 
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thebedbug said:
I think someone might've added a 0 to that number. There are some wider crowd/venue shots available on YT. There was 1 big riser, 2 smaller ones (maybe 1000 attendees total on those), and then people on the grass with chairs and surely some others milling around standing (call that 2000 more). Throw in various LE, event staff, and whatever else and you might get a number you could "round up" to 5K.
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Yes, 5,000 makes more sense... if that. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard 50,000!
 
MassGuy said:
It was never going to make complete sense, but it now appears this is on a track where we’ll have much fewer answers than we usually do.

Usually there’s something discovered right away, and there’s just nothing here.

No note. No online profile. Nothing found in his phone. It’s frustrating.
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Loneliness to start with. Then, Covid that arrested his social development as his age group was not attending school for two years…then they get out, and soon, with the job market being where it is, there is hopelessness. Consider that the whole group is immature…what people could do before, like coding school or such, doesn’t work anymore. There are well-paying jobs, but they do require education better than community colleges. I guess it is all of this taken together. I don’t even think it was political. If anything, his political steps show general confusion. I’d look at his favorite computer games, if anything. JMO.
 
justtrish said:
So if he voted in the mid term elections in 2022, that is intresting. I wonder if he was intrested in local politics. I'll look and see what elections were going on in 2022 in Pa. Maybe he registered Republican because he supported some local candidates that are Republicans.. did he have a parting of ideas with anyone local.. has anyone locally (meaning state level) endorsed Trump publicly in recent months?
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It looks like TMC 'registered' to vote in 2022. That would be the year he turned 18yo. In Pennsylvania, you get a Junior Driver's License at 16. At 18 you need to go back to the DMV to register for a Senior License.

May states also use their DMV's to register voters.

September 2023 PA enacted a new DMV procedure. I don't know what the routine DMV/Voter procedures were before 9/2023.

'Pennsylvania’s new system is most akin to the front-end system: The registration is automatic and takes the onus off of the voter, but is not instantaneous like in some states.'

www.spotlightpa.org

Pennsylvania adopts ‘automatic voter registration’

Pennsylvania will automatically lead residents through the process of registering to vote when they interact with the Department of Transportation.
www.spotlightpa.org www.spotlightpa.org

I'm not sure I'd make much of his Republican affiliation. He doesn't seem to be obviously in politics. However Republican's are stereotyped as typically avid NRA supporters.

I starting to lean more towards the Bully angle.

Just thinking out Loud.

JMO

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Kaley Smith said:
The shooter was definitely raised in a gun culture, if not in his country and state, for sure in his home. More than 20 guns were registered to his father. I mean is this normal? I grew up on a farm in an isolated area in Canada and our home had one gun (in the basement with ammunition upstairs). It was a single shot .22 rifle my Dad used to shoot coyotes wanting to raid the henhouse.
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I’m not sure why msm said the guns were registered. According to the link below
PennsylvaniaFirearms registries are prohibited.
ballotpedia.org

Firearm registration requirements by state

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
ballotpedia.org ballotpedia.org
 
Elley Mae said:
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle said in a television interview Tuesday morning that part of the reason the agency did not require a police officer to stand atop the roof of the Agr building was its slope. “That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point, and so there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof,” she said. “So, you know, the decision was made to secure the building from inside.”


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If I’m not mistaken the sniper who shot him was on a sloped roof.

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The hearing with cheatle on 22nd should be interesting.
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Yes, the sniper who shot him - or at least other snipers there - were on a sloped roof:
 
JennieM said:
Secret Service director: ‘the buck stops with me’ after Trump rally shooting

Kimberely Cheatle tells ABC News assassination attempt on her watch was ‘unacceptable’

www.theguardian.com

Secret Service director: ‘the buck stops with me’ after Trump rally shooting

Kimberely Cheatle tells ABC News assassination attempt on her watch was ‘unacceptable’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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What ever the numerous failures at the event were, she still seems to be a real leader to clearly and unequivocally state that:

1.) She is ultimately responsible.
2.) What happened was unacceptable- period.

Hoping that if her head needs to roll, it rolls to another senior position somewhere- maybe in business, but not security management?

Chances are good that the numerous bad decisions that were made for rally were several levels below her and that she trusted "Dont worry boss, we have this- we do it all the time." type statements in briefings.
 
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