I deleted my post after I realized that I had misread the time.last article I saw here in i think #823 is stating father called police at 11pm, after the son failed to return home at the expected 1pm time.
I deleted my post after I realized that I had misread the time.last article I saw here in i think #823 is stating father called police at 11pm, after the son failed to return home at the expected 1pm time.
DBM
I got 11 a.m. and 11 p.m. mixed up with regard to the time of the parents' reporting of their missing son (the shooter).
I agree that so far the information from SS is inadequate and confusing. I suspect that the Director describing the sloped roof as a problem either didn't receive a full briefing or didn't understand it. The degree of slope could not have been the problem, as many have pointed out. The angle of slope may have been, but I don't see how.I’m a 65 year old woman who doesn’t spend much time on roofs of any slope, but I think I’d be able to manage that one.
The contradictions involving the secret service and this incident are many and defy reason. Recent awareness of an Iranian plot to assassinate Trump and a Pac-Man-shaped security perimeter that placed the most vulnerable area (a low nearby roof with a direct sightline to Trump) to be covered by local police, who I assume had NOT been informed of the Iranian threat? Agents on a nearby roof of similar slope, but this roof too “sloped near the top” (whatever that is supposed to mean… did the slope increase near the peak…no). And I don’t know whether confirmed, but supposed reports that the Secret Service team was changed after the advance work to another team because the First Lady was speaking nearby and those agents were needed there?
Can’t wait to watch the congressional hearings. These contradictions need explaining.
IMO, the parents likely were pretty much unaware of what he was doing with his life, overall. I think he was pretty much a loner, even in his family life, and was left alone to do his thing with no one paying attention.dumb question so please be kind, he was an engineering student of some sort, would it be feasible to think that the people he lived with could have thought items he received and was "crafting" were related to his educational pursuits?
Unbelievable.Image at link shows fbi hosing off the dangerous sloped roof that Cheatle said was too dangerous for ss to position at.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16/
Jmo
They're standing on what appears to be a nearly flat-ish roof !Unbelievable.![]()
I know! And it makes me mad at the whole situation. I am not LE but from the pictures there is no reason why that roof shouldn't have been covered. MOOThey're standing on what appears to be a nearly flat-ish roof !
HMMM.
Omo.
dumb question so please be kind, he was an engineering student of some sort, would it be feasible to think that the people he lived with could have thought items he received and was "crafting" were related to his educational pursuits?
He seemed “underemployed,” given his interests and education.IMO, the parents likely were pretty much unaware of what he was doing with his life, overall. I think he was pretty much a loner, even in his family life, and was left alone to do his thing with no one paying attention.
The other possibility is that the parents knew at some level that something was wrong, but tried to ignore it as they didn't want to - or couldn't - deal with it, for some reason. Maybe they hoped that when he went off to college in the fall that would take care of the problem, but we now know that the shooter had no intention of doing that.
But he had his father's rifle with him.Hmm.
11pm ?
At Thomas' age, I'm surprised the dad called so quickly.
Wouldn't he think TC had just gone over to a friends' house and forgot to call, or was ignoring his dad's calls ?
Omo.
Thanks for the link !At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
Secret Service and local LE give conflicting accounts - who was actually in the "shooter's" warehouse?
Whether law enforcement used the same building as the gunman — is still not easily resolved three days after the shooting
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At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
BUTLER, Pa. — While a gunman was climbing onto the roof of a warehouse less than 500 feet from where former President Donald Trump was speaking Saturday, three law enforcement snipers were positioned inside the same complex of buildings, looking for anything amiss in the crowd. The director of...www.yahoo.com
The director of the Secret Service said the local forces were in the very same building, an account suggesting that the gunman was essentially on top of them. A local law enforcement official told The New York Times on Tuesday that was not the case and that the local officers were in an adjacent building.
The discrepancy in their accounts is just one unsettled element in the effort to determine how security broke down and allowed a 20-year-old with a semiautomatic rifle to open fire in a rapid barrage that left Trump hurt, one man dead and two other people at the rally gravely wounded.
I agree, any parent would worry, especially if he had your rifle with him.I was thinking supposed lack of friends and this may not be his normal behavior. It was 10 hours, probably no answer on phone it was getting late at night, I think any parent would worry.
AND there had been an attempted assassination nearby, with reports of dead and injured victims and a dead shooter.But he had his father's rifle with him.
And, maybe the shooter didn't have a habit of hanging with friends or had no friends so the parents became concerned about his absence.But he had his father's rifle with him.
yeah and I am not going to read anymore into the father calling at this time. I think it was just a concerned parent, maybe even worried that someone got the gun from the son. I think the parents would / could be worried enough without even putting 2 and 2 together about the assassination attempt.... probably not even on the radar.I agree, any parent would worry, especially if he had your rifle with him.
I quoted you to reference the picture. That roof is a 1:12 pitch. If you walk across the roof 12 feet, you gain or drop one foot. It is probably less pitched than the ramps you walk up and down to get to your movie theater seats. Spectators could have set up lawnchairs up there to watch the rally from a nice vantage point.Agreed, I've wondered that as well.
Given that the slope of the roof was so steep.![]()
In an interview with ABC News, Cheatle said : "That building in particular has a sloped roof at it's highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof." She added , "The decision was made to secure the building from inside."
Red emphasis mine.
It's noticeable that she did not say whether it was the local LE or the secret service's decision ?
So, who made that call ?
Just asking.
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Kimberly Cheatle blasted for 'BS excuse' that roof was 'too sloped'
Speaking to ABC News, Cheatle claimed agents were not positioned on top of the sloped building, deeming it too dangerous - despite images showing snipers set up on a sloped roof behind Trump.www.dailymail.co.uk
A photo of the dangerously sloped roof that was unable to be secured by either local LE or the secret service
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My friend has a relative who is a roofing contractor.
To place new tiles, or repair damaged roofing tiles on steep inclines, they'll put temporary small pieces of rectangular wood (roof brackets) on the roof for the workers to have something to brace themselves.
As well as wearing a safety harness.
As the tiles are nailed down, the brackets are removed.
This shouldn't have been an impossible task to place someone on this roof, and also on the roof of the buildings behind and to the right of former president Trump ?
Omo