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PA - Assassination attempt, shooting injures former POTUS Donald Trump, leaves 1 spectator deceased two in critical condition, 13 July 2024 #2
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I do wonder about any red flags noticed by his relatives or fellow students/coworkers ?
Unless something new turns up in msm, I'm assuming the shooter's family is innocent of any knowledge of his nefarious plans.
Sorry that this twisted young man placed such a burden on them.
No matter what lies ahead, this will probably be what they'll be known for.
It sounds like they're being fully cooperative.
Hoping they will be able to move on with their lives.
Omo.
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At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
Secret Service and local LE give conflicting accounts - who was actually in the "shooter's" warehouse?Whether law enforcement used the same building as the gunman — is still not easily resolved three days after the shooting
At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
BUTLER, Pa. — While a gunman was climbing onto the roof of a warehouse less than 500 feet from where former President Donald Trump was speaking Saturday, three law enforcement snipers were positioned inside the same complex of buildings, looking for anything amiss in the crowd. The director of...
The director of the Secret Service said the local forces were in the very same building, an account suggesting that the gunman was essentially on top of them. A local law enforcement official told The New York Times on Tuesday that was not the case and that the local officers were in an adjacent building.
The discrepancy in their accounts is just one unsettled element in the effort to determine how security broke down and allowed a 20-year-old with a semiautomatic rifle to open fire in a rapid barrage that left Trump hurt, one man dead and two other people at the rally gravely wounded.
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I agree that so far the information from SS is inadequate and confusing. I suspect that the Director describing the sloped roof as a problem either didn't receive a full briefing or didn't understand it. The degree of slope could not have been the problem, as many have pointed out. The angle of slope may have been, but I don't see how.
It looks to me like the snipers were well placed to give them the most coverage with a clear field of fire. They relied on local LE to communicate about threats approaching from outside the ground perimeter that could be covered by Secret Service staff members. It seems to me the focus will be: (1) was that reliance reasonable; (2) were local LE deployed properly; (3) did local LE observe the shooter approaching the building and climbing to the roof; (4) If not, why not; and (5) if so, what did they do and why did information about the shooter fail to reach SS snipers in time to kill the shooter before he set up?
Given the number of people involved, I think that it would be extremely difficult to assemble - on the day of the event - a comprehensive picture of what happened and why security plans and personnel failed to prevent the shooter from setting up on that roof.
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Image at link shows fbi hosing off the dangerous sloped roof that Cheatle said was too dangerous for ss to position at.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-gunman-shot-roof-that-wasnt-secured-by-any-agency-2024-07-16/
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IMO, the parents likely were pretty much unaware of what he was doing with his life, overall. I think he was pretty much a loner, even in his family life, and was left alone to do his thing with no one paying attention.
The other possibility is that the parents knew at some level that something was wrong, but tried to ignore it as they didn't want to - or couldn't - deal with it, for some reason. Maybe they hoped that when he went off to college in the fall that would take care of the problem, but we now know that the shooter had no intention of doing that.
Unbelievable.
I'd also, at some point, like to know if the local resources had direct communication with SS agents. My DH was VP of Security for a National sport league and being able to communicate with multi level teams was of significant importance. Much has been done in technology to aid in these areas. I know at one time they used Tango Tango which allows you to use your phone like a two-way radio style communication using unlimited, encrypted push-to-talk channels.
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I know! And it makes me mad at the whole situation. I am not LE but from the pictures there is no reason why that roof shouldn't have been covered. MOO
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His parents probably didn't know anything about the packages or they knew about a delivery but did not see the packages.
When I order a package I track it and when it says delivered I go get it from mailbox or porch. No one in my house is even aware of it. It only takes seconds to grab your package and hide it...mere seconds.
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He seemed “underemployed,” given his interests and education.
His parents were employed in occupations (reportedly as behavioral or rehab counselors) that are different than the one TMC seemed to be preparing himself for, so they may not have been able to advise him on his chosen path. A young man who has historically had social issues who is preparing for a career in an area his parents aren’t familiar with needs knowledgeable mentors who invest themselves a bit in helping him spread his wings and establish networks to help him launch. I wonder if he had any.
But he had his father's rifle with him.
Thanks for the link !At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
Secret Service and local LE give conflicting accounts - who was actually in the "shooter's" warehouse?
Whether law enforcement used the same building as the gunman — is still not easily resolved three days after the shooting
At Trump Rally, Local Police and Gunman Were in Same Warehouse Complex
BUTLER, Pa. — While a gunman was climbing onto the roof of a warehouse less than 500 feet from where former President Donald Trump was speaking Saturday, three law enforcement snipers were positioned inside the same complex of buildings, looking for anything amiss in the crowd. The director of...www.yahoo.com
The director of the Secret Service said the local forces were in the very same building, an account suggesting that the gunman was essentially on top of them. A local law enforcement official told The New York Times on Tuesday that was not the case and that the local officers were in an adjacent building.
The discrepancy in their accounts is just one unsettled element in the effort to determine how security broke down and allowed a 20-year-old with a semiautomatic rifle to open fire in a rapid barrage that left Trump hurt, one man dead and two other people at the rally gravely wounded.
A lot of "Hmmm's ".
It wasn't that long ago that this happened, exactly what are they unclear on ??????
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I agree, any parent would worry, especially if he had your rifle with him.
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AND there had been an attempted assassination nearby, with reports of dead and injured victims and a dead shooter.
I’m trying to remember how quickly it was that the BBC came out with the interview of the ginger-haired young man who reported that he and others had drawn the attention of police officers to a young man “bear-crawling” across a nearby roof. Before 11 pm?
And, maybe the shooter didn't have a habit of hanging with friends or had no friends so the parents became concerned about his absence.
My gut tells me they learned of the assassination attempt online and became concerned because they knew he had the AR 15. It probably set off a where is TC? Probably attempted to call him. Did TC block his parents on his phone that day so the call would not immediately lead agents to their door? I have wondered about that.
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yeah and I am not going to read anymore into the father calling at this time. I think it was just a concerned parent, maybe even worried that someone got the gun from the son. I think the parents would / could be worried enough without even putting 2 and 2 together about the assassination attempt.... probably not even on the radar.
Imagine your child was missing for 10 hours , you couldn't' reach them, they lived at home, didn't have many friends had never been gone out of contact for this long... if it was not the normal you would worry …. did they get in an accident, did they get hurt at the range. did they get carjacked... so many terrible scenarios when you are waiting for someone and they are not returning. JMO
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I quoted you to reference the picture. That roof is a 1:12 pitch. If you walk across the roof 12 feet, you gain or drop one foot. It is probably less pitched than the ramps you walk up and down to get to your movie theater seats. Spectators could have set up lawnchairs up there to watch the rally from a nice vantage point.Agreed, I've wondered that as well.
Given that the slope of the roof was so steep.
In an interview with ABC News, Cheatle said : "That building in particular has a sloped roof at it's highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof." She added , "The decision was made to secure the building from inside."
Red emphasis mine.
It's noticeable that she did not say whether it was the local LE or the secret service's decision ?
So, who made that call ?
Just asking.
Kimberly Cheatle blasted for 'BS excuse' that roof was 'too sloped'
Speaking to ABC News, Cheatle claimed agents were not positioned on top of the sloped building, deeming it too dangerous - despite images showing snipers set up on a sloped roof behind Trump.www.dailymail.co.uk
A photo of the dangerously sloped roof that was unable to be secured by either local LE or the secret service
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My friend has a relative who is a roofing contractor.
To place new tiles, or repair damaged roofing tiles on steep inclines, they'll put temporary small pieces of rectangular wood (roof brackets) on the roof for the workers to have something to brace themselves.
As well as wearing a safety harness.
As the tiles are nailed down, the brackets are removed.
This shouldn't have been an impossible task to place someone on this roof, and also on the roof of the buildings behind and to the right of former president Trump ?
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The shallow pitch does make it very hard to see someone positioned at the ridgeline, depending on how high the building eaves are. The people on the ground right next to the building can't see the ridgeline. You have to be far away or at an elevation higher than the eave to see the ridgeline.
If the roof had a 12:12, it would have indeed been a dangerous slope to stand upon but it would have made someone positioned at the ridgeline visible to anyone close to the building.
The shallow 1:12 slope is why it was a security problem unless security was positioned higher than its ridgeline.
The pics of the LE snipers shows they are on a steeper roof, probably 1:3 or 1:4 pitch. Obviously they were not in danger from the roof pitch.
The Directors comment about the roof pitch alone show that she isn't up to her task. Not cool, not rad.
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