This was my question a few days ago when we were discussing CODIS, whether BKs DNA has already been entered. He hasn't been convicted therefore I didn't think it was possible. But then (iirc) @Cool Cats said yes, they've already submitted it.
It does. New York is a post conviction state.
Yes according to his post, it is up to the state when the info gets submitted to CODIS.
Perhaps there's a difference with a distinction.
There are similar comments/questions in the LISK thread.
Yes, and I think that's the tangle. His DNA was run through CODIS in search of a match (before LE knew whose DNA it was) but since BK had never been convicted of any felonies (as an adult at least), no match was made. Regardless, his DNA was not entered into CODIS at that time.
Not sure what you mean? I don't think anyone is disputing this afaIk. CODIS was originally for tracking sex offenders.
Yes, each state has their own rules and procedures on this. In Texas, for example, DNA is collected from all persons charged with a felony, immediately after fingerprinting on intake into jail or prison. (See HB 3956). Statewide CODIS DNA Database Program Overview | Department of Public Safety.
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(My question, however, stands. Has BK's DNA been entered into CODIS?)
Yes.
The skin cells found on the sheath snap were found to contain a person's DNA profile but the problem was that LE didn't know the person's name.
So, as most LE departments do, they ran it though CODIS hoping to find a match.
No match...but whose DNA is this?
Next step was to get a private lab specializing in Genetic Geneology to search family trees and build DNA profiles to find relatives who matched some of the sheath DNA.
BK's relatives matched some of the sheath DNA.
To narrow it down to BK, who they suspected, investigators were able to get his dad's DNA from the trash. This trash DNA along with the sheath DNA showed the father-son connection.
Lastly, the cheek swab of BK after his arrest matched the DNA on the sheath. The DNA was 5.37 octillion times more likely to be Kohberger's than a random person from the general population.
Genetic genealogy used to link suspect in Idaho slayings to crime scene, prosecutors say
DNA found on a knife sheath was at least 5.37 octillion times more likely to be Kohberger’s than that of an unrelated member of the public, prosecutors said in a court filing last week.www.nbcnews.com
CODIS is used in various ways.
LE has DNA from a crime scene and they do not have a name to go with it so it goes into CODIS.
A missing person's remains have been found and they do not have a name to go with it so it goes into CODIS.
After a conviction, according to Federal law, inmate's DNA is entered into CODIS to see if the inmate's DNA matches any other DNA from unsolved crimes.
RH's DNA will be put in after conviction - according to Federal law - to see if his DNA matches any other DNA from previous crimes.
BK's DNA was put into CODIS when they ran his unknown DNA from the King Rd crime scene to identify the King Rd DNA.
When BK is convicted his DNA will go into the CODIS system to check to see if BK is attatched to any other DNA from unsolved crime scenes.
BK's DNA was put into CODIS for one reason - to identify unknown King Rd. crime scene DNA. But, BK's DNA will be used for a different reason after he is convicted - CODIS will run it to see if BK's DNA matches any other unknown crime scene DNA.
Codis now has BK's DNA legally, they do not need it again. But, it is after he is convicted that they can start running it to see if his DNA turns up a match to any other unknown DNA at crime scenes.
Gilgo Beach Murders: Here's why suspect Rex Heuermann's DNA has not been put into CODIS
While DNA evidence was crucial in connecting Rex Heuermann to the heinous crimes, the suspect's DNA could not be entered into the databaseThe FBI’s Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) Hits Major Milestone
CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet | Federal Bureau of Investigation
A compilation of frequently-asked questions about the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the National DNA Index System (NDIS).
I think theirs noise in the conversation that’s causing confusion.
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But that sheath was found underneath one of the murdered students. So it was obviously left by the killer. whether the murder weapon was in that sheath, we don't know yet. But it was found underneath a dead body. That is pretty incriminating.
Yeah I heard that too and people were surprised but, it's the court document that was written by the prosecution when they requested a protective order for the IGG DNA information June 2023. So it was "partially under both Madison's body and the comforter on the bed."
States that collect DNA at arrest.
Idaho is not one.
Figure 1. States That Have Enacted Arrestee DNA Collection Laws in the United States
From the article "Collecting DNA From Arrestees: Implementation Lessons," June 14, 2012. Map charting which states have enabled arrestee DNA collection laws within the United States. Collection Criteria States that require a judicial determination of probable cause, warrant, formal indictment...
Here is an article that is more modern.
Right, partially under the body of a girl who was stabbed to death.
Just playing Devil's Advocate: I agree, if it is a bare-handed transfer, we would expect the lab to find both people's DNA, but IF someone transfers DNA while wearing gloves and their DNA was not on the outside of the gloves they are wearing, then I would not expect there to be a mix. I would only expect the transfer DNA.
