Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #189

[sunshineray]

He was testifying that he used Libby’s phone and “crime scene evidence” to conclude that the murders occurred between 2:30-3:30. My opinion is that I would expect an investigator to refer to the autopsy findings for TOD.

He is probably going on the report by the tech guys who did the extractions. There's no mystery there MO

 

[Cyber sleuth]

He was testifying that he used Libby’s phone and “crime scene evidence” to conclude that the murders occurred between 2:30-3:30. My opinion is that I would expect an investigator to refer to the autopsy findings for TOD.

Perhaps he can’t testify to what the ME determined to be TOD without admitting the report into evidence.
Otherwise it would be heresay correct? I think his testimony for this hearing is limited to his understanding of the TOD in relation to BH’s alibi.

The time to try to whole case is not during a hearing about the timeliness about discovery. IMO

 

[Willow Knight]

I can't remember....did RA specify a particular phone he was using?

Richard Allen provided a MEID number. A MEID number is exclusive to a phone. The interview was focused on Richard Allen's time on the trail and his statement he was on his phone. Richard Allen gave this MEID number, as a juror I would assume Richard Allen was providing identification to his cell phone on that day.

 

[grannygates]

Perhaps he can’t testify to what the ME determined to be TOD without admitting the report into evidence.
Otherwise it would be heresay correct? I think his testimony for this hearing is limited to his understanding of the TOD in relation to BH’s alibi.

The time to try to whole case is not during a hearing about the timeliness about discovery. IMO

Oh, good question. I would have to ask a lawyer on that! I don’t know why he would be able to discuss phone data, witness statements etc but not the autopsy report ? Maybe a friendly lawyer will come around and educate us

 

[mrjitty]

Perhaps he can’t testify to what the ME determined to be TOD without admitting the report into evidence.
Otherwise it would be heresay correct? I think his testimony for this hearing is limited to his understanding of the TOD in relation to BH’s alibi.

The time to try to whole case is not during a hearing about the timeliness about discovery. IMO

yes.

my understanding based simply off watching trials, is that a law enforcement officer can testify to his own direct experiences and beliefs.

so for instance, if he is briefed as to a TOD and proceeded based on such a belief he can say that. he isn’t trying to prove what the TOD was. rather what he believed it to be. that is not hearsay in my opinion.

 

[MiniMoo]

Just heard that ejection mark testing (Ballistics) isn't full proof and law enforcement use the same calibre of bullets like the one found at the crime scene.

Also, it was weeks before they collected the sticks or branches found on the girls bodies because they didn't feel a need to collect them as evidence.

Like what?!?!

I have a hard time going with the sacrifice ritual argument, but I do feel the branches and sticks are still relevant.

Source: CourtTV on YouTube.
Delphi Murders -The Clues Left Behind.

Not sure why Gray Hughes is on it, but he is.

Anyhow -

I really hope they have a video recording of that unspent bullet being in the ground on February 14th, 2017, because time stamps can't be altered on videos unless of course I'm not up to date with technology these days.

 

[MiniMoo]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed for using the full name of a person who has not been accused in this case>

I don't know who BH is - is he relevant.

I only found out about Abby and Libby 3 or 4 years after they were murdered then when the first guy was looked at followed not too long after with RA's arrest.

In the last few weeks I returned because I thought the trial was coming up soon, also, that is when I learnt about the Odinistic argument.

So, don't know a lot of the abbreviations or initials used or who has been a suspect or not, but I do know RA is the one on trial right now with Abby and Libby at the core of it all.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

RSBM IMO

So the defense is stating the murders took place between 10:30am and 7:30 pm.
"Nine hours straight during the murders".

The Prosecution states the murders took place between 1:30 pm and 3:30 pm.

Libby posted the image of Abby at 2:07.

Taking into account the prosecution and the defense timeline, the murders would have been between 2:07 pm and 7:30 pm. That is 5.5 hours both D and P agree on.

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

That is so ridiculous.
First the defense tries to alter the timeline into favor for their client. I guess they realize they couldn’t do that so they’re just trying to open it up for the entire day.
Ridiculous.
Libby and Abby were at Libby’s house until they left for the trails a little after 1:30pm.
Desperate times I guess.
What is even the point of this? More billable hours coming up with this silly document.

 

[mrjitty]

That is so ridiculous.
First the defense tries to alter the timeline into favor for their client. I guess they realize they couldn’t do that so they’re just trying to open it up for the entire day.
Ridiculous.
Libby and Abby were at Libby’s house until they left for the trails a little after 1:30pm.
Desperate times I guess.
What is even the point of this? More billable hours coming up with this silly document.

i think this is what MS were getting at about the Rushville conspiracy in the discord leak. they are blaming the family.

i guess because most of us don’t follow the various Youtube cranks who are collaborating with the Defence this stuff makes no sense to us.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Just heard that ejection mark testing (Ballistics) isn't full proof and law enforcement use the same calibre of bullets like the one found at the crime scene.

Also, it was weeks before they collected the sticks or branches found on the girls bodies because they didn't feel a need to collect them as evidence.

Like what?!?!

I have a hard time going with the sacrifice ritual argument, but I do feel the branches and sticks are still relevant.

Source: CourtTV on YouTube.
Delphi Murders -The Clues Left Behind.

Not sure why Gray Hughes is on it, but he is.

Anyhow -

I really hope they have a video recording of that unspent bullet being in the ground on February 14th, 2017, because time stamps can't be altered on videos unless of course I'm not up to date with technology these days.

Ejection marks are valid science and used often in criminal cases.
The Murdaugh trial comes to mind. I don’t think the defense team even questioned it.
It will be argued at trial, maybe expert vs expert, as it should he.

My opinion

 

[susiQ]

I don't know who <modnote - BH - use initials only for peripheral case players> is - is he relevant.

I only found out about Abby and Libby 3 or 4 years after they were murdered then when the first guy was looked at followed not too long after with RA's arrest.

In the last few weeks I returned because I thought the trial was coming up soon, also, that is when I learnt about the Odinistic argument.

So, don't know a lot of the abbreviations or initials used or who has been a suspect or not, but I do know RA is the one on trial right now with Abby and Libby at the core of it all.

It might help you understand the issues surrounding this case if you could read the Franks Memorandum:

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

 

[Salah11]

It might help you understand the issues surrounding this case if you could read the Franks Memorandum:

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion PDF | PDF | Prosecutor | Police

DELPHI: Memorandum in Support of Motion.pdf

www.scribd.com

Take it with a heavy pinch of salt as it’s their very twisted version.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Take it with a heavy pinch of salt as it’s their very twisted version.

IMO

Maybe a shaker full

 

[TTF14]

Take it with a heavy pinch of salt as it’s their very twisted version.

IMO

But not to all of us. Some of us believe that it's true that lawyers can't just lie for the heck of it, and the Franks memo contains loads of citations to actual depositions, flash drives, and other exhibits to support what they are saying.

This isn't a magazine article. It's an actual legal document.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

But not to all of us. Some of us believe that it's true that lawyers can't just lie for the heck of it, and the Franks memo contains loads of citations to actual depositions, flash drives, and other exhibits to support what they are saying.

This isn't a magazine article. It's an actual legal document.

IMO

I think there's an awful lot of if's, could be's and maybe's in there to make it not so trustworthy or legal. JMO

 

[Salah11]

But not to all of us. Some of us believe that it's true that lawyers can't just lie for the heck of it, and the Franks memo contains loads of citations to actual depositions, flash drives, and other exhibits to support what they are saying.

This isn't a magazine article. It's an actual legal document.

IMO

It’s their theory so not factual or supported by the facts or the case. This is of course why they are so desperate to get so much of the evidence thrown out.

IMO of course to be safe

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

Has anyone else read or heard about how his attorneys are going to try and say Odinist were responsible for this?! I had never even heard of Odinist until I just read an article stating they were going to try and use it in his trial. How ridiculous!!

 

[grannygates]

I think there's an awful lot of if's, could be's and maybe's in there to make it not so trustworthy or legal. JMO

The document is filled with citing specific lines of a depositions, pages of a reports, giving specific sources for all their information so it seems incredibly unlikely that the allegations are simply made up out of nowhere.

They do give their own opinions and it is made very obvious to the reader what is fact or opinion.

I would expect Gull to bring down the hammer if she felt the defense were outright lying to her. I don’t see her letting that slide at all.

MOO

 

[TTF14]

@MiniMoo

BH is mentioned in this article, but not named. He was Abby's boyfriend's father. <modsnip> Also, Doug Carter has said many, many times that they haven't cleared anybody.

IMO MOO

 

[MiniMoo]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed>

I think the Odinistic side to it needs to be dropped unless they can prove that it is more than just an allegation.

This wasn't something I expected at all and on the Defense's part it is probably being used just to create doubts and that is all they need to do - create doubts.

For me though it isn't convincing at all as it has to be backed up by proof or whatever.

Has anyone ever looked into this so called group and if they perform rituals that involve human sacrifices.

Needs to be ruled out somehow or proven if it can't be dropped.