Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

[grannygates]

I think it is important to remember that RA did not go talk to any of the investigators or police officers. He met very informally with a fish and game warden---a conservation officer. That guy was not front and center on the case. That was intentional on RA's part, imo.

The conservation officer just jotted down his notes and it seems like he saw this as a local who came forward to help but he didn't really see anything so whatever...

If it had been one of the police officers or investigators the interview would have been more in-depth, once he said he was on the bridge that afternoon. IMO

He called in to the tip line and someone was sent to talk to him. I don’t think that RA got to select which officer was dispatched to meet with him. MOO

 

[katydid23]

I guess you can’t underestimate the importance of data collection.

Did you get info from a local or a junkie or a sex worker? It’s still data - just log it.

And the notion that he didn’t see anything. He was there. That is highly relevant information by any standard.

I agree it was HIGHLY relevant information. That was my point---a conservation officer evidently didn't know what to do with that highly relevant info. I think an investigator would have recognised its importance and wouldn't have filed it away before following up more in depth. IMO

 

[katydid23]

He called in to the tip line and someone was sent to talk to him. I don’t think that RA got to select which officer was dispatched to meet with him. MOO

I never heard that part, where does it say that? I must have missed it.

 

[Andieinsyd]

I think that if the confessions are allowed, RA may plead guilty to being BG, so two of the murder counts.
Either he, or his wife and mother didn’t want them to hear the details of the actual murders on afternoon of day 3. As per MS day 3 recording they left before State’s blood expert to spare themselves. We have learned that wife and mother are extremely important to RA. If he says he is BG he can perhaps allow them to keep their belief that he didn’t do it, he’s been set up. I think in their minds they will be able to muddy the waters enough to assign victim status and move forward with that. They will keep that, he keeps them and they don’t have to confront the truth of what he did.
From what I have now heard I think the evidence is there, so RA has very little chance of being acquitted at trial. I don’t think he will want his family to see the absolute brutality of these crimes.

 

[sunshineray]

This is two different people. The civilian FBI entered the tip in the system, she didn’t write the tip. DD collected the info and wrote the tip.

The FBI confirmed that the tip was not misfiled and the clerk followed the correct protocol. I don’t consider DD putting the wrong surname on his report as “misfiling” by the FBI. It’s DD recording information inaccurately in his report.

This inaccurate recording of the surname then questions the accuracy of the rest of the information in the tip written by DD.
MOO

Where are you seeing that it was DD that wrote it wrong? Can you link it please? TIA

 

[Andieinsyd]

Which LE ? The article is directly quoting the murder sheet people

‘Clerical error’ may have led police to overlook Richard Allen in Delphi case

DELPHI, Ind. – Why now? That’s one of the biggest questions surrounding the arrest of Richard Allen, who’s charged with murdering Abby Williams and Libby German in February 2017. It appears a “cler…

fox59.com

I don’t think we can know without seeing the original tip. I think that transposing a street name as a last name is more likely a data entry error myself but it’s one of the unknowns. For me, the the tip is still valid, the information is all there. I’m so interested to hear the data evidence around RAs phones.
ETA I also think that the DD tip was taken prior to setup of current system so the error was made getting tip into “big” system.
MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I think that if the confessions are allowed, RA may plead guilty to being BG, so two of the murder counts.
Either he, or his wife and mother didn’t want them to hear the details of the actual murders on afternoon of day 3. As per MS day 3 recording they left before State’s blood expert to spare themselves. We have learned that wife and mother are extremely important to RA. If he says he is BG he can perhaps allow them to keep their belief that he didn’t do it, he’s been set up. I think in their minds they will be able to muddy the waters enough to assign victim status and move forward with that. They will keep that, he keeps them and they don’t have to confront the truth of what he did.
From what I have now heard I think the evidence is there, so RA has very little chance of being acquitted at trial. I don’t think he will want his family to see the absolute brutality of these crimes.

His mother and wife we're always telling him they didn't want to hear it, his confessions. They also didn't want to reassure him they'd love him even if he confessed. I think it became a choice between doing what he knows is the right thing to do or losing his family's love. They, IMO, are in full denial mode outwardly but know deep down, because of all the evidence, he's guilty. I think this DT has done a great disservice to everyone by not sorting that situation out. Instead they made up fantastical stories, wasting time, money and hearts. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think we can know without seeing the original tip. I think that transposing a street name as a last name is more likely a data entry error myself but it’s one of the unknowns. For me, the the tip is still valid, the information is all there. I’m so interested to hear the data evidence around RAs phones.
ETA I also think that the DD tip was taken prior to setup of current system so the error was made getting tip into “big” system.
MOO

Those are exactly my feelings on the matter too.

 

[sunshineray]

Possibly - seems she followed it all from the beginning so there are things there that the Prosecutors can work with to discredit her for sure if they want to go that way.

If he confessed as much as he did and he is indeed the perpetrator - there seem to be other witnesses including recordings, if permissable.

The Psychologist isn't the only one.

That is true but I believe it was probably a very detailed account RA gave to the doctor. It was document and so was her empathy for RA. That to me shows she has seen it all and her account could be a very important one. JMO

 

[Salah11]

He called in to the tip line and someone was sent to talk to him. I don’t think that RA got to select which officer was dispatched to meet with him. MOO

Is this information new and do you have a link please?

 

[snarast]

I don’t think we can know without seeing the original tip. I think that transposing a street name as a last name is more likely a data entry error myself but it’s one of the unknowns. For me, the the tip is still valid, the information is all there. I’m so interested to hear the data evidence around RAs phones.
ETA I also think that the DD tip was taken prior to setup of current system so the error was made getting tip into “big” system.
MOO

I really thought we were past this in 2017 onwards but I guess a tip can fall through the cracks even now. Plus I still don’t understand their data collection and integration process.

We’re only human, however much we try. It’s not so important who made the mistake, just hoping this type of simple regexp-matching protocol of witness information I assumed was already in place will be implemented sooner rather than later.

 

[sunshineray]

I guess you can’t underestimate the importance of data collection.

Did you get info from a local or a junkie or a sex worker? It’s still data - just log it.

And the notion that he didn’t see anything. He was there. That is highly relevant information by any standard.

In fact, the population density in the immediate area is crucial in order to understand anything about the case.

I think very early on they were checking known sex offenders and such. Nobody wanted to think one of their own small community could have done this. It must have been someone from off the highway, even out of state, driving by and stopping. By the time the knowns were cleared/swabbed the billboards were already going up and expanding into many states. They thought it was an outsider. Tips were flooding in faster than they could manage making the situation akin to chaos. MO

 

[grannygates]

Is this information new and do you have a link please?

No it’s not new. It’s old from the franks.

 

[Salah11]

No it’s not new. It’s old from the franks.

Thank you

As that was all proven to be rather fictitious the last 3 days I’ll take it with a grain of salt.

I still am completely flabbergasted they made up a letter “F” letter to further their agenda when it was Libby’s bloody print.

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

They are what this case is about:


photo by crimelights.com


#Justice4Abby&Libby

 

[susiQ]

Yep, they were totally right that the perp was local and hiding in plain sight.

jmo

I agree, however, it’s just possible that he/they still are still “hiding in plain sight.” JMHO

 

[Salah11]

I agree, however, it’s just possible that he/they still are still “hiding in plain sight.” JMHO

60 confesses with some having details only the killer would know begs to differ.

IMO

 

[Tealgrove]

I think that if the confessions are allowed, RA may plead guilty to being BG, so two of the murder counts.
Either he, or his wife and mother didn’t want them to hear the details of the actual murders on afternoon of day 3. As per MS day 3 recording they left before State’s blood expert to spare themselves. We have learned that wife and mother are extremely important to RA. If he says he is BG he can perhaps allow them to keep their belief that he didn’t do it, he’s been set up. I think in their minds they will be able to muddy the waters enough to assign victim status and move forward with that. They will keep that, he keeps them and they don’t have to confront the truth of what he did.
From what I have now heard I think the evidence is there, so RA has very little chance of being acquitted at trial. I don’t think he will want his family to see the absolute brutality of these crimes.

I’m intrigued that the theory of why RA wants to plead guilty, is to spare his wife and mother the gory details of what he did.

He’s already, with details, confessed to them what he did.

Pleading Guilty will not stop the train and we all clap our hands and move on.

Any change in plea will, just like BTK, require disclosure. I cannot fathom a world where the Prosecution would agree to a Guilty Plea without a caveat wherein RA stands up in court and details his horrific deeds. Nope can’t see it happen.

Theres more IMO. There’s more he doesn’t want known. Something more shameful. How could there be something worse than the brutal murder of 2 young teens?

He didn’t seem too distressed by all accounts when the blood spatter expert was testifying. Admittedly a bit agitated and uncomfortable but nothing extreme. Yes his wife and mother left but the details are everywhere. We all know now. So will they.

So really, either avenue will result in your dirty disgusting deeds being laid bare.

Make no mistake, this thinking is not to save his wife and mother from hearing the details. That’s unavoidable. It’s also not to save the families the torture of a trial. Ricky is not a good guy, finding God or not, his motivation is self serving.

What is lurking in the depths that RA doesn’t want known?

MOO

 

[statt#1]

I’m intrigued that the theory of why RA wants to plead guilty, is to spare his wife and mother the gory details of what he did.

He’s already, with details, confessed to them what he did.

Pleading Guilty will not stop the train and we all clap our hands and move on.

Any change in plea will, just like BTK, require disclosure. I cannot fathom a world where the Prosecution would agree to a Guilty Plea without a caveat wherein RA stands up in court and details his horrific deeds. Nope can’t see it happen.

Theres more IMO. There’s more he doesn’t want known. Something more shameful. How could there be something worse than the brutal murder of 2 young teens?

He didn’t seem too distressed by all accounts when the blood spatter expert was testifying. Admittedly a bit agitated and uncomfortable but nothing extreme. Yes his wife and mother left but the details are everywhere. We all know now. So will they.

So really, either avenue will result in your dirty disgusting deeds being laid bare.

Make no mistake, this thinking is not to save his wife and mother from hearing the details. That’s unavoidable. It’s also not to save the families the torture of a trial. Ricky is not a good guy, finding God or not, his motivation is self serving.

What is lurking in the depths that RA doesn’t want known?

MOO

Very interesting, your train of thought here, as I've been somewhat on the same thought train of late.

There are things we know, then there are things we don't know, and then, there are things we don't even know we don't know

I've a suspicion the latter categories, those things we don't know etc., include facts known by the prosecution, by LE, that simply have never been shared with the public. Likely, in my estimation, a rather large swath of investigative avenues, associations, discoveries of things seemingly unrelated, but related, and other items unmasked in the past years of investigation(s) born of, and related to this case. Huge things. Some things we'll never hear of, investigations that went on a different path.....but more importantly, some things we WILL hear of, some time soon I suspect.

 

[MiniMoo]

I think very early on they were checking known sex offenders and such. Nobody wanted to think one of their own small community could have done this. It must have been someone from off the highway, even out of state, driving by and stopping. By the time the knowns were cleared/swabbed the billboards were already going up and expanding into many states. They thought it was an outsider. Tips were flooding in faster than they could manage making the situation akin to chaos. MO

I don't come from there and yet from the moment I heard and saw the case I thought it was a local or someone that had lived there previously - even someone from a nearby town.

Never ever thought it was a transient or total outsider because the person would have had to know that location and know it well.

I'm sure we all have different views though so...

To the group : did anyone else feel differently, the same, no idea or what?