IA IA - Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook - Found Deceased - Evansdale - 13 Jul 2012 #39

[tlcya]

I lived in the area when these young girls, babies really 8 and 10, went missing. It was a horrible and emotional time. My heart broke for Lyric's grandmother and I can picture all the posters and ribbons even today.

Lyric was much more grown up acting than Lizzie, or so it seemed, and Lyric's parents caused blame to automatically focus their way with their drug charges. I don't believe it was a drug related crime, I believe it was a SO predator.

There was a lot of construction going on in that area at the time (transient workers). Meyers Park had a close by straight shot to the interstate so I can see how they were grabbed and ended up North about 20 miles.

What makes me think it might be a local is the very isolated location their remains were found. Not public at all, even gated off. A stranger to the area would never know it existed it was so off of the beaten path. IMO

Hard to believe it's been 12 years without resolution and I hope this documentary will bring some much longed for and needed answers.

#Justice4Lizzy&Lyric

JMO

agree, local. Because the area they were found was so remote and required special knowledge to get to. I have never thought it was a transient. I hope one day this one is solved.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I lived in the area when these young girls, babies really 8 and 10, went missing. It was a horrible and emotional time. My heart broke for Lyric's grandmother and I can picture all the posters and ribbons even today.

Lyric was much more grown up acting than Lizzie, or so it seemed, and Lyric's parents caused blame to automatically focus their way with their drug charges. I don't believe it was a drug related crime, I believe it was a SO predator.

There was a lot of construction going on in that area at the time (transient workers). Meyers Park had a close by straight shot to the interstate so I can see how they were grabbed and ended up North about 20 miles.

What makes me think it might be a local is the very isolated location their remains were found. Not public at all, even gated off. A stranger to the area would never know it existed it was so off of the beaten path. IMO

Hard to believe it's been 12 years without resolution and I hope this documentary will bring some much longed for and needed answers.

#Justice4Lizzy&Lyric

JMO

This one hit close to home for me... I was at the water park that day, stopped at the casino too for a bit. And the only reason I know it was that day was because I wouldn't gamble, it was Friday the 13th and I'm just a bit superstitious. I absolutely floors me that this happened so darn close, in the middle of the day, in an area that seems reasonably safe.

 

[Ommmm]

Sorry for the delay.
Things that got my attention from Taken Together episode #3 (scroll and roll if you plan to watch the documentary later, this is for those who don't have the app)

• A recap of the Jeffrey Altmayer kidnapping attempts and sexual assaults which spanned the state. Thought to be active as close as Cedar Falls, Iowa. Noted that he released his victims after the assault. He was a prolific child molestor but violence was not known to be part of his MO. He is serving life in prison. DCI would not comment in regard to whether he is a suspect or has been cleared.
• A recap of Delphi and the similarities to Evansdale. The two are not believed to be related, and an arrest was made in 2022 (Richard Allen).
• BIG circle back to Klunder. Reiteration of the statistical probability of his involvement of dual abductions.
• Kent Smock (former Evansdale police chief) is pretty resolute in his belief that it's not Klunder but he can't share why.
• They can not place Klunder in Evansdale.
• Several people voice skepticism with the decision to rule Klunder out, including the Waterloo Police Chief who says he's "uneasy with ruing him out." Cell phone data can be unreliable, if that's what they're using as a determining factor. They seem to be publicly pressuring DCI to come out with their reasoning for believing they're confident with the decision. Filmmaker: If you're saying you believe he was either at home or at work, what you're really saying, to me, is that you don't know where he was."
• A previously unknown link appears. This seems to come together just before the documentary went to air (or so it seems). MK's friend and/or cellmate, TC, was living in the Evansdale area after being released from prison. TC is also a sex offender. Another man who was in prison with MK & TC due to a drug offense (not a sex offender) states that he was talking on the phone with TC and TC stated that Klunder was with him at his house (or they were together somewhere... it's not clear)in Evansdale. This person went on to say that he actually SAW Klunder in Evansdale, with TC. This would be around the time of the girl's disappearance.
• The man who was in prison with Klunder and TC mentions that if you're on parole you're not allowed to travel outside of your area without going through an approval process with your parole officer. That alone could be reason to leave your cell phone at home if you know you could get caught leaving your approved area.
• Drew attempts to call TC. Speaks with his wife and asks her if TC will talk to him. He does not call Drew back.
• A surprising conclusion as Drew sets out to find TC and talk to him. TC is now living outside of the area. Drew finds him walking near his home and is recorded talking to him. TC initially pretends to not know Drew or recall the girls. He proceeds to say "I heard it was the Mexican cartel." He alleges the police told him that. Drew says "I think it was Klunder." TC says Klunder is dead. Drew asks if he things MK did it and he changes gears, saying "I think so too. I did five years with him. He's a f-n weirdo." Drew asks if MK came to Evansdale, TC says he has no clue. He says the only contact he had with MK is when he called MK on the phone from his mom's house in Evansdale. Said the police pulled him in for questioning. He denies hanging out with MK or him being in Evansdale. He says he believes Klunder did it because he has "priors" for it. And then he surprisingly offers up "By himself? No." Drew asks who could have helped MK, he remarks there's a lot of weirdos in prison.
• The documentary concludes with the sorrowful impact the disappearance has had on the family, a graveside gathering, and a plea for tips.

I wish I knew what Kent Smock knows.

 

[Taffy550]

@Ommmm Thank you for recapping the episodes for us.

 

[otto]

I lived in the area when these young girls, babies really 8 and 10, went missing. It was a horrible and emotional time. My heart broke for Lyric's grandmother and I can picture all the posters and ribbons even today.

Lyric was much more grown up acting than Lizzie, or so it seemed, and Lyric's parents caused blame to automatically focus their way with their drug charges. I don't believe it was a drug related crime, I believe it was a SO predator.

There was a lot of construction going on in that area at the time (transient workers). Meyers Park had a close by straight shot to the interstate so I can see how they were grabbed and ended up North about 20 miles.

What makes me think it might be a local is the very isolated location their remains were found. Not public at all, even gated off. A stranger to the area would never know it existed it was so off of the beaten path. IMO

Hard to believe it's been 12 years without resolution and I hope this documentary will bring some much longed for and needed answers.

#Justice4Lizzy&Lyric

JMO

I agree that the suspect is someone who knew 7 Bridges Park before the bridge was washed out, before Summer camp programs were cancelled. Someone who knew about the Meyer's Lake party spot before the artificial lake project was completed. 1970s. Lyric's grandmother knew about the party spot. Was it a story passed down through generations - Meyer's Lake parties?

Why did someone ask Lyric and Elizabeth to meet at the leech infested lake, park their bikes, throw a purse over the fence towards the leeches, and why did Lyric do this? What inspired her to take this risk?

 

[Angelcat13]

I agree that the suspect is someone who knew 7 Bridges Park before the bridge was washed out, before Summer camp programs were cancelled. Someone who knew about the Meyer's Lake party spot before the artificial lake project was completed. 1970s. Lyric's grandmother knew about the party spot. Was it a story passed down through generations - Meyer's Lake parties?

Why did someone ask Lyric and Elizabeth to meet at the leech infested lake, park their bikes, throw a purse over the fence towards the leeches, and why did Lyric do this? What inspired her to take this risk?

I admit that I haven’t read everything on this thread, but I am confused about why you say that someone asked Lyric and Elizabeth to meet at the lake, park their bikes and throw her purse over the fence. Is there any evidence that the girls were told to do these things and DID them vs a perpetrator doing these things?