Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

[TTF14]

I think how much he would have to reveal would depend on the terms worked out between the parties.

He can't take an Alford plea in Indiana. So that's not in the cards.

MOO

Oh really? I didn't know Indiana didn't have that. Interesting.

 

[iamshadow21]

Oh really? I didn't know Indiana didn't have that. Interesting.

Yeah, according to Google, it's one of only three states/commonwealths that doesn't. The other two are Michigan and New Jersey.

 

[ClearAhead]

I meant I'm afraid that all the others won't be brought to justice if he takes a plea. I'm still on the fence about his guilt or innocence, but if he's guilty (or of course innocent), there are others involved. I believe this 100%.

IMO MOO

If there’s others involved who RA is protecting, he’s even more disgusting and despicable, regardless if he takes a plea or not. IMO

 

[photographer4]

This post is a bit of a mess but the big smile on BP’s face is a pleasure to see. It’s at 0.41 of the video.

I saw this, but I didn't have time to watch / listen. Did they interview them? I was wondering if they inserted a clip / smile from some prior date?

 

[SouthEnd]

Nothing is obvious, that’s for sure but yes, it does seem as if something major is coming down.

RA’s family (wife and mother?) must’ve had an inkling of what was happening or they wouldn’t cry and get upset over the announcement that the public hearing was cancelled, as if they were expecting something positive about to occur at the open hearing. And so I’d expect as that didn’t happen, whatever is going on negatively impacted either RA or his attorneys from their perspective. MOO and JMO

From the WRT video posted 2 replies ago, they say that RA's family was in the corridors, crying, confused, when it was announced there would be no public hearing, BEFORE the defence came out and spoke to them.

IMO this means that they were just confused, it's not that they were crying because they know something we don't.

That's not to say I don't wish for a plea and a swift resolution, because I very much do.

 

[TTF14]

If there’s others involved who RA is protecting, he’s even more disgusting and despicable, regardless if he takes a plea or not. IMO

Or scared to death for his family.

IMO MOO

 

[SouthEnd]

I saw this, but I didn't have time to watch / listen. Did they interview them? I was wondering if they inserted a clip / smile from some prior date?

There was no interview in that video. It looked like the clips they included might have all been from today (same lighting as the RA one) but we have no way of knowing for sure.

 

[ClearAhead]

From the WRT video posted 2 replies ago, they say that RA's family was in the corridors, crying, confused, when it was announced there would be no public hearing, BEFORE the defence came out and spoke to them.

IMO this means that they were just confused, it's not that they were crying because they know something we don't.

That's not to say I don't wish for a plea and a swift resolution, because I very much do.

Yes that was before the D spoke with them, so it would seem to me there must’ve been a reason a cancelled hearing caused them anguish (described as crying, confused, upset), as opposed to say, a frown or look of mild disappointment on their faces. MOO

 

[TTF14]

Yes that was before the D spoke with them, so it would seem to me there must’ve been a reason a cancelled hearing caused them anguish (described as crying, confused, upset), as opposed to say, a frown or look of mild disappointment on their faces. MOO

Well, of course it would cause anguish and confusion. They want this to go to trial for their to be an end/closure in sight. The more hearings are not held or canceled, the greater likelihood this will be delayed again.

IMO MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes that was before the D spoke with them, so it would seem to me there must’ve been a reason a cancelled hearing caused them anguish (described as crying, confused, upset), as opposed to say, a frown or look of mild disappointment on their faces. MOO

How much face to face contact have they had with him since arrest? Have they only seen him through tablet?

Because if they were hanging on for the opportunity to see him, be in the room with him, even if they couldn't touch, then I could see why they might be tearful for that reason.

MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

Or scared to death for his family.

IMO MOO

Well yeah but how would he be safer knowing the information while the other parties walk free, he’d have a target on his head or perhaps that of his family’s (to force him to stay silent) either way. The better choice would be cooperating in their conviction to get them put away.

That’s also what witness protection programs are for. I don’t really buy that RA is too scared to incriminate others. If he can confess 61 times, he should have no problem telling the rest of the story, if there is one. It’s not as if he’s a member of a gang, that we know of. MOO

 

[TTF14]

Well yeah but how would he be safer knowing the information while the other parties walk free, he’d have a target on his head or perhaps that of his family’s (to force him to stay silent) either way. The better choice would be cooperating in their conviction to get them put away.

That’s also what witness protection programs are for. I don’t really buy that RA is too scared to incriminate others. If he can confess 61 times, he should have no problem telling the rest of the story, if there is one. It’s not as if he’s a member of a gang, that we know of. MOO

I'll respectfully disagree. We have no idea how dangerous these people are, how far their tentacles (Doug Carter's characterization of this case) go, or what we would do in his shoes. If someone told me they have a whole network of people willing to kill my family if I snitched, I'd believe them.

IMO MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

How much face to face contact have they had with him since arrest? Have they only seen him through tablet?

Because if they were hanging on for the opportunity to see him, be in the room with him, even if they couldn't touch, then I could see why they might be tearful for that reason.

MOO

RA has been allowed visitors, the D alleged the distance early on made it inconvenient but this was also in the past. If his family only chooses to see him at his hearings that’d be kind of unusual. MOO

Delphi murders defendant Richard Allen living in 8x12 prison cell under suicide watch and 24-hour video surveillance

The Westville prison warden provided very specific details about the cell where Allen is living and the accommodations he is offered.

www.wthr.com

• Unlike other inmates in the maximum security unit, Allen is permitted to have face-to-face visits with his family.

 

[justtrish]

I'll respectfully disagree. We have no idea how dangerous these people are, how far their tentacles (Doug Carter's characterization of this case) go, or what we would do in his shoes. If someone told me they have a whole network of people willing to kill my family if I snitched, I'd believe them.

IMO MOO

How dangerous what people are? Who is the network of people willing to kill RA's family?

 

[TTF14]

How dangerous what people are? Who is the network of people willing to kill RA's family?

If I knew that exact answer, I'd probably be 300K richer .

(Or dead)

IMO MOO

 

[ClearAhead]

I'll respectfully disagree. We have no idea how dangerous these people are, how far their tentacles (Doug Carter's characterization of this case) go, or what we would do in his shoes. If someone told me they have a whole network of people willing to kill my family if I snitched, I'd believe them.

IMO MOO

Well okay then. Not guilty, a noble martyr instead?

Sorry I just can’t go there, we’ll have to disagree.

 

[TTF14]

Well okay then. Not guilty, a noble martyr instead?

Sorry I just can’t go there, we’ll have to disagree.

Or scared to death guilty? That doesn't mean "martyr" to me.

He also could be completely innocent.

IMO MOO

 

[susiQ]

The final comment by this reporter is priceless. The prosecution stating that the D are trying to “annoy, embarrass and oppress them.” (Emphasis added by me, while I’m killing myself laughing!) MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

I very much doubt it. I suspect it has more to do with the public not knowing how to properly behave in a courtroom but we shall see.

I am wondering that also.. actually, I have a lot of different thoughts about this, but yes, think it may have to do with the public and SM avenues IMO

We know Libby & Abby's family won't talk due to Gag Order but I can't wait to hear from locals that were there.
(of course, they might not even know either)
JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

The final comment by this reporter is priceless. The prosecution stating that the D are trying to “annoy, embarrass and oppress them.” (Emphasis added by me, while I’m killing myself laughing!) MOO

I think that's probably legal speak relating to decorum expected between legal professionals. It sounds weird because it's antiquated. One of our legal bods might be able to confirm, because IANAL.