Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #194

[photographer4]

Is there any possibility the defense requested a hearing on whether RA could be on home arrest or some other type of request they wouldn't want made public? I would think they would still need to file something (separate from the 'status hearing') although maybe not.
Not sure, just wondering, trying to make sense of it all.

I highly doubt this considering what his bond was originally set to: Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen held on $20 million bond for 2017 murders of Libby German, Abby Williams | abc7chicago.com

 

[Andieinsyd]

Well that is the most likely thing to have happened here imo. No other residents seemed to be talking about it online. No murder sheets podcast about it? No other media reporting it? No way WANE15 (the original media outlet who reported it) would have been the first to get a copy of it. And it was noted to be “unconventional” by someone in the link I provided.

If this was a fraud, what if anything f can JG do about it? Are media outlets allowed to keep their “sources” anonymous?

What a mess. I don’t believe this was a real questionnaire at all and didn’t think it was when it was first reported on. If it was real, why would the reporting outlet have scrubbed it from their site??

I feel like we had some discussion around the jury questionnaire a while ago. I think the P had raised concerns that including the questions around Odinism could act as early introduction to, and possibly legitimise the Odinism defence. I’ll see if I can find some info.
Big MOO as a quick google not giving me much.

 

[photographer4]

I feel like we had some discussion around the jury questionnaire a while ago. I think the P had raised concerns that including the questions around Odinism could act as early introduction to, and possibly legitimise the Odinism defence. I’ll see if I can find some info.
Big MOO as a quick google not giving me much.

I thought so as well but I wondered if I was thinking of when the trial was originally set to happen but got postponed rather last minute by B&R?

 

[Melted]

Looks like WANE pulled their juror questionnaire story!

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

So then you don't believe the four accused in the first FM had anything to do with the murders? They were being framed now, not RA? If you've followed my posts at all, you'll know I've never said RA was 100% innocent (ETA: but I won't be shocked if he is completely innocent, either). My...

www.websleuths.com

Can someone tell me what this article was about? It’s been taken down.

 

[Melted]

Thanks for the link.
IMO, None of the individuals looked distraught. Rozzi looked comfortable, smiling. What do you make of it all?

All just my opinion obviously but RA looks a lot healthier and looks like he had some pep in his step.

Rozzi smiling while talking to RA’s crying family tells me a different story than most on here are thinking.

I think there’s a possibility they have found solid evidence of a 3rd party culprit.

Before everyone gets worked up at me please remember the prosecution were the first to mention that they believe others may be involved during this case

 

[photographer4]

Can someone tell me what this article was about? It’s been taken down.

The link in my post here was working for me. Basically a news outlet reported that prospective jurors received a questionnaire recently about their knowledge and understanding of issues that will / could come up at trial in this case. I have since questioned the authenticity of the document (not the report about it) given it has since been removed by the reporting outlet.

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[Melted]

The link in my post here was working for me. Basically a news outlet reported that prospective jurors received a questionnaire recently about their knowledge and understanding of issues that will / could come up at trial in this case. I have since questioned the authenticity of the document (not the report about it) given it has since been removed by the reporting outlet.

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Could this be why this status hearing was scheduled in the first place?

 

[Salah11]

I was hoping yesterday for awhile he was just going to Plead Guilty to save the families the heartbreak of a trial.

I mean he has confessed so many times who is he kidding at this stage. Let’s just stop the games and let the families be spared more pain.

mooooo

 

[photographer4]

Could this be why this status hearing was scheduled in the first place?

I don’t know. Maybe?

 

[sunshineray]

for what it's worth, I don't think it is too ridiculous a request, depending on what they are fishing for in the prison records relating to Wala, and whether it is relevant to their case. I do worry that it is just that, a fishing expedition, and IMO the time for that is over. but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until I have a better understanding of what they are trying to glean from their request.

ah hah. And now we know why DT wants to use it and State doesn't want them to.

State thinks adding more subpoenas for Odinist stuff should have to wait on the judge's ruling whether the Odinist stuff is going to be allowed. Seems reasonable. MO

 

[sunshineray]

Lol, the State wants to Quash their own witness because he is not relevant? Then why is he a witness? And yes Nick you are obligated to make them available to the defense.

They want the judge to rule first on admissibility first before doing more depositions of something that may not be allowed in anyways. Sounds fiscally responsible to me. MO

 

[sunshineray]

So NM wants the judge to disallow the defense from deposing people about the Odinism stuff even though they are convinced it's a nothing burger. They are saying the defense is only doing it to annoy and embarrass people.

NM must know the judge is going to allow in the SODDI defense.

Though dost protest too much.

IMO MOO

The defense wants to annoy and embarrass people? Where in the world would they have gotten that idea in their heads? Sounds to me like the defense just wants to throw good money after bad. But it's the judge's decision. AJMO

 

[mrjitty]

Is this the only case ever where you get 9 pages of posts about a status hearing that partly didn't happen? I admire everyone's dedication here!

I get that maybe something wow big might have (not) happened, but also it could have been simple trial management stuff.

The big shoe to drop remains the motion in limine ruling(s) which determine the shape of the trial.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Is this the only case ever where you get 9 pages of posts about a status hearing that partly didn't happen? I admire everyone's dedication here!

I get that maybe something wow big might have (not) happened, but also it could have been simple trial management stuff.

The big shoe to drop remains the motion in limine ruling(s) which determine the shape of the trial.

IMO

This is interesting though.

"The families of Abby Williams and Libby German did meet privately with prosecutors and investigators in a room.

Allen’s family started to cry, confused and upset, and defense attorneys met with them."

Status hearing in Delphi murders case cancelled

The day began with a closed status meeting. About 35 minutes into the closed status hearing, a deputy came out and said there would be no public hearing.

www.wrtv.com

 

[TTF14]

Curious in what way do you think that could’ve caused the cancelled open hearing.

The judge being mad and needing time to decide how to handle it.

I do think it's likely this is exactly what happened. Whether or not it's fake.....I doubt it.

IMO MOO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Are juror questionnaires sent out with any type of letter that states the contents are confidential and not to be shared with others - especially media?

I recall that the now-pulled WANE article claimed to have looked into it and it was legal to publish, but they didn’t cite a reference.

The only reference I could quickly find is from Pennsylvania code.

“Each judicial district must provide the jurors with instructions for completing the form, and inform them of the procedures for maintaining confidentiality of the questionnaires. It is expected that each judicial district will inform the jurors that the questionnaires will only be used for jury selection.”

234 Pa. Code Rule 632. Juror Information Questionnaire.

Information included at this site has been derived directly from the Pennsylvania Code, the Commonwealth's official publication of rules and regulations and from the Pennsylvania Bulletin, the Commonwealth's official gazette for information and rulemaking

www.pacodeandbulletin.gov

 

[FrostedGlass]

The judge being mad and needing time to decide how to handle it.

I do think it's likely this is exactly what happened. Whether or not it's fake.....I doubt it.

IMO MOO

Due to the timing of the article, I think that's a strong possibility. However, I have to wonder what her expectations were. Did she expect the media to remain silent and not report on it?

 

[TTF14]

Are juror questionnaires sent out with any type of letter that states the contents are confidential and not to be shared with others - especially media?

I recall that the now-pulled WANE article claimed to have looked into it and it was legal to publish, but they didn’t cite a reference.

The only reference I could quickly find is from Pennsylvania code.

“Each judicial district must provide the jurors with instructions for completing the form, and inform them of the procedures for maintaining confidentiality of the questionnaires. It is expected that each judicial district will inform the jurors that the questionnaires will only be used for jury selection.”

234 Pa. Code Rule 632. Juror Information Questionnaire.

Information included at this site has been derived directly from the Pennsylvania Code, the Commonwealth's official publication of rules and regulations and from the Pennsylvania Bulletin, the Commonwealth's official gazette for information and rulemaking

www.pacodeandbulletin.gov

Good find. If it's true that the "source" is a family member of the writer of the article (or another employee), it shouldn't be TOO difficult to find that person.

IMO MOO

 

[TTF14]

Due to the timing of the article, I think that's a strong possibility. However, I have to wonder what her expectations were. Did she expect the media to remain silent and not report on it?

Based on @steeltowngirl's post about PA code, probably yes (meaning, Indiana would probably have a similar code). It's probably somewhere in the annals of journalistic ethics that you're to respect court directives about confidentiality, and maybe that's never been breached when it comes to jury questionnaires sent from her court.

JMO IMO MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Based on @steeltowngirl's post about PA code, probably yes (meaning, Indiana would probably have a similar code). It's probably somewhere in the annals of journalistic ethics that you're to respect court directives about confidentiality, and maybe that's never been breached when it comes to jury questionnaires sent from her court.

JMO IMO MOO

It was said that what she did was unconventional so maybe that issue isn't well covered? I'm surprised none of the experts have chimed in. Maybe someone will find an Indiana code.