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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Convicted defendants cannot be compelled to court for sentencing, nor can the fact they don’t go be taken into account in the sentence they receive, or even the regime they are under in prison. This needs to change. Thomas Cashman did not appear in court either for his sentencing for the murder...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Do you have a link for this? I’m interested. Edit: I know family members have been present, but they could be trusted not to reveal a detail that might upend the whole trial and the press will follow the rules. I’d be really surprised if random members of the public were allowed in when the...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I agree, I am guessing it must have been. I doubt members of the public were present in the gallery each time when verdicts were returned.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Neil Entwistle, a British man who shot dead his wife and baby daughter in their new home in Massachusetts, claimed at trial that his wife had killed herself (and their child), although all evidence pointed to him and he was rightly convicted. After his trial, his parents, to whose home back in...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    It’s very strange. I won’t speculate on Letby’s upbringing (although I am also curious) and I understand a parent supporting a child but at some point you have to say, I love you but I hate what you did. JMO.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    For my part, I find myself unmoved versus what the parents of the babies went through. Letby will be able to read books and watch television and receive visits from her mother and whatever else for many years. It’s also absurd by the mother given of course she couldn’t have killed the babies on...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Yes, and if the babies have passed away and medical evidence of their post mortems finds no health reason, it’s easier to believe that there may have been a crime. The attempts, perhaps looking like “medical incidents”, are harder to see as attempted murders.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Rose West was found guilty of ten murders, but Letby’s past needs looking at thoroughly.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I don’t feel sorry for a criminal’s parents unless they give me reason to do so. Where the parents express horror and sorrow for their children’s crimes, I do feel bad for them. If they seek to deny their obvious guilt, to blame others or “the system” or to minimise the crimes, then no, I don’t...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I agree. I don’t know what kind of personality type it is, sociopath perhaps, but certainly there are people who enjoy the pain and hurt experienced by others and having the power of life or death in their hands and misusing it. Sometimes I think some who thought Letby innocent forgot that such...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I suppose there was very little else the defence had to run with. The deaths were so off statistically and there was no medical explanation. They had to suggest this was the most negligent baby unit in NHS history, somehow only when Letby was on duty of course.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I don’t feel sorry for her mother in the slightest either. I do have more sympathy where parents accept their children’s guilt and seek to deal with it, rather than looking to deny everything they ever do wrong. That’s just a personal view which might not be popular either but oh well!
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    You know what, a good idea. I think the jury did a good job but I’m happy to pay my taxes for those other charges to run one more time. As said above, might need more evidence… happy to pay for the police to look.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I hope a whole life sentence would be some level of comfort to all of the families. She must receive that sentence under modern sentencing guidelines IMO.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    I can understand why people think LL should have been convicted of everything and understand that for some families they may not feel the book is closed and it’s also easy for me to say, but the variation in verdicts suggests the jury were very likely able to distinguish between different...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Someone thinks that the other cases weren’t proven to the standard to convict is all I think we can say.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    The fact that the jury’s conclusion differs on the different charges and they acquitted on one count (I think) and were unable to reach verdicts on others, does suggest to me that they thought about things very carefully and weren’t just following one line of thought but looking at the evidence...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

    Finally I can say what I’ve wanted to say for so long: Lucy Letby is GUILTY. It has been my opinion throughout having followed the trial and all of the evidence. I, like my sister, was born at Countess of Chester, the local family hospital (then called West Cheshire!), and my mother was treated...
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    GUILTY UK - Sgt. Matt Ratana, 54, shot dead inside custody centre in south London, 25 Sept 2020 *arrest*

    As awful as this crime is, I personally do not believe that under the current UK system it in context crosses the threshold for a whole life sentence, and I believe any appeal on that term would be successful. Whilst Mr Rattanu was a serving police officer, which I entirely respect and deplore...
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    Found Alive AL - Carlethia “Carlee” Russell, 25, 911 call reported toddler walking on side of interstate, car found, she & toddler gone, Birmingham, 13 Jul ‘23 #2

    I am sure Carlee didn’t mean for this story to get as big as it did, but I am also sure that any reasonable parent would have had serious questions these last couple of days when the parents have still been vocally referring to abductors etc and saying they won’t tolerate attacks. By all means...

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