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I agree it would be crazy to cross the border. And agree on either south or east into the ADKs

Ogdensberg? Just bc the house is nearby.

Ah gotchya - I wasn't trying to step on toes or anything... Sorry if I came across that way!

Honestly it's not your "typical" high crime area. I wish I had pictures. It's a two lane highway (rt 12 along the st lawrence) then at the "t" in oberg, it's like a very small town. Like a little harbor town. And then lots of fields. There is a diner! I agree w border. I predict south also. As...

thermal imaging is a camera with a special infrared optical system inside. it detects heat. so the infrared lens and optical assembly is set up to scan for heat waves leaving a body. Note: I know this because I do marketing for a couple of optics companies here and they make this stuff.

I totally get where you are coming from. We would think that the safety of children/ lives being at stake would (theoretically) take priority over a religious belief. Anything to help find your child. God will forgive.

Yeah, and you can get some of the freshest, tastiest produce and other baked goods around at these types of stands. This makes me so sad that this happened... there are some monsters out there :(

Yeah I read that, I just meant, like what if extended family wanted to take the girls so they didn't have to grow up like that. I know they're free to leave. But how free would they really be at that age, know what I mean? (And for the record, I do not think they would need to be rescued, the...

Ok st. lawrence county webcams http://www.northern-nys.com/webcams.htm look for photos of the white car and see if you can get a license plate

How about traffic cams in the area. Hold on there are some dec cams

It's a long shot but do we know if either parents family was not Amish? Could be extended family attempting to "rescue" from a life they didn't agree with?

Uh yeah me too!

Yeah, I grew up on the river. Myself and every single adult my age and kid we know swims in the river. The current is very strong. We are all very good swimmers. The rest, I disagree strongly, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

Yeah not always. We lobbied to get this changed but so far, it's still an archaic system of using amber alerts. This guy was clearly dangerous and the children were in danger. I've talked to the one girl's mom at length about it. She called and called and tried to get something done, but...

Now here's something- I wonder if their property is so large (a hundred fifty some odd acres) that it takes up the whole chunk of land between 812/mt lona/mount alone road? Is that possible?

It appears from tax/property records that they are [modsnip] Here's the link- http://www.taxlookup.net/record.aspx?jurisdiction=oswegatchie&id=40648986.001-3-13.12&year=2014 note: the address still says mt alone road, but the alerts specifically say "mount alone road off of rt 812" and MOUNT...

I will also see if I can dig up property records to confirm that is it. New article, too. http://latest.com/2014/08/scant-evidence-2-amish-girls-new-york-feared-abducted/

Another article, and I will add the place marker back to the map. On mt. lona road.

I've heard the puppy mill thing- but moreso in the lancaster, PA amish community.

WOAH big mistake on my part. Let me look at it again. Sorry about that!!