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Shoot yes that's right! I can't believe I forgot to add that. Going to amend my post.

The presence of CARD suggests to me that they have more proof than just an inkling that Selena may have been taken. There seems to be so much unknown surrounding her disappearance... 1. I'd like to hear from the other woman who was left behind (the one that was found barefoot, scratched up...

Their poor family has sustained so much loss (from the Heavy.com article)! Selina's twin sister committed suicide at just 11 years old, and then Selina's brother died in a police related shooting. Another sister was killed in a hit and run accident. My goodness, I don't know how Selina's mother...

Did the newspaper say that CARD stood for Crime Reduction Rapid Deployment? It’s the Child Abduction Rapid Deployment, so I’m curious if newspaper was confused. This is all sounding terribly suspicious.

Well of course, yes. But in this case at least, we know Alex wasn’t driving. PS - I don’t think there’s any conspiracy happening with men/alcohol/water...just an observation.

It’s the strangest thing, and I’d never have been aware of it if it wasn’t for WS. But it’s like some magnetic draw, a siren’s call. They drink, they drown. It’s craziness.

I’m so sorry, that’s terrible. Growing up in Northern California I’m very familiar with the river, and you’re right, there is nothing small about it. It’s cold, fast moving...ugh.

They need to get divers in the water...

They’ll go out with a bang! Literally.

Please explain to me how "These people are a selfish bunch, even when they get clean, it is all about them, how awesome they are to recover...on and on...honestly, drug addicts are too self absorbed to care about burying someone." is not offensive...?

No! And I am wondering if they are not one in the same.

My husband works full time in recovery and case management, and while he can be jaded at times, his heart and soul is in it, he loves his clients, and he would never say something like that. Maybe it's because he is also sober and has been on the other side and has empathy...but man I just feel...

DBM, not worth it. :)

We don't from MSM or LE, Marg. They're referring to something from SM..

Welp. That’s a sweeping generalization and not at all true, but I hope some day you get to meet someone who is clean that can change your mind. Yikes. I’m sorry you feel that way. o_O

I also (MOO of course) believe the person/people she went with and the individual she texted that night are different, but due to MSM it has been made to sound like they were one in the same. That being said, it’s not only hard to force someone to OD, there really isn’t a reason - if this does...

I just can’t get on board with her choosing to disappear. By all accounts she and her mom had a close relationship, and she really didn’t have the funds it seems to disappear. I’m not sure her boyfriend did anything to her, aside from leaving her in a dark, dank forested area, but I do believe...

Yes I remember it so well! I too am half asleep but will look for a link for you!

Narcan only works on opiates/opioids (do either prescription drugs like Vicodin, Oxy, etc or street drugs like heroin). It will also often put users into rapid withdrawal which means they wake up sick, angry..and SICK. But they’re alive.

I was reading this earlier! Very in-depth and well explained. I don’t know who here was in the Lucas Hernandez thread, but meth of some sort is created by decomp as well. I remember he had some levels of methamphetamine in his system and they weren’t sure if it was due to post mortem decomp...