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  1. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 7

    My neighbor tells the story of young woman that powdered a 60 day supply of Ambien in salad dressing and made a lovely Caesar Salad for her parents. After dinner the parents had their usual two martinis and got in the hot tub. Guess what happened? The prescription for the Ambien, you ask...
  2. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 7

    From the outset, certain circumstances in this case had me wondering. From the first I thought it was somewhat miraculous that this couple had the great fortune to reach almost 90 years of age with both still enjoying such good health and living such active and independent lives. My wife and I...
  3. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 7

    Reference: http://www.msgr.com/news/local_news/article_780fad32-e12c-11e3-911e-001a4bcf887a.html And this seemed unusual to me: "(Unnamed), who said she played newcomers’ bridge with Shirley when she first moved to the Lake Country, had been driving Shirley to Tuesday club gatherings at...
  4. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 7

    That is a difficult question to speculate on. I have seen nothing to indicate the Dermonds could possibly have contributed in some way to their own demise. The fact is that Mrs. Dermond was murdered in a "conventional" fashion while Mr. Dermond suffered death in a fashion generally meant to...
  5. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 7

    After a fair amount of studying examples of this kind of murder, and essentially ignoring 75% of what the sheriff has said and 85% of what media has said and considering only what the general public can know for sure, I'm starting to think this was done as an example. These gentle folks may...
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    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    To OTPTarheel's thought: "What if the Ds were religious about setting their alarm, as their son indicated, and disarmed the system and it was never armed again? Records subpoenaed from the alarm company would show a pattern of usage. And would pinpoint when and from what keypad it was...
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    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Shall we assume the toxicology reports were negative for both victims? The "tissue samples" newspaper quote was indirect and as such, is unconfirmed according to the source. Has the sheriff found nothing to link the crime scene to the killer? How can the sheriff know the Dermond's...
  8. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Layout of the property attached. From Google Earth and the property records.
  9. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Can you please provide the link to that thread? I want any verifiable information regarding facts from official sources about the discovery and subsequent knowledge gained from finding the corpse of Mrs. Dermond.
  10. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    If there is any update regarding the information in the Sheriff's May 16th afternoon press conference, or any additional information regarding tethers or weights, I would ask for specific links to please be posted. The only other pertinent information was a news report that advice on lake...
  11. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Y-6UFV_jI Above link to press meeting when Mrs. Dermond’s body found. A noteworthy statement is Sills responding to a question by a newsperson at 2’50” regarding why the body might have been found at that location, and in his...
  12. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Reference my prior post #238. Noteworthy is what Mrs. D's driver said about what happened on the Tuesday Mr D's body was found by the neighbor.
  13. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 6

    Reference: http://www.msgr.com/news/local_news/article_780fad32-e12c-11e3-911e-001a4bcf887a.html From reference: "Those were the days when Shirley drove herself to EDBC meetings, parking close to the building because she was struggling with some mobility issues." The entire article is worth...
  14. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    Snags are the tops of trees that were left in the lake when it formed, and in the area where the corpse was found they are many. Here's a zoomed in view of them. Pretty amazing what can be done with Google Earth. You can zoom in and see the shadows cast by the trees during the scan time...
  15. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    Sorry to be slow with this, but I'll try again for Razz to post a decent map from Goggle Earth of the scene, maybe two. The scene 7 one is higher resolution than the others. The first scene shows the remains at a location upstream from the more detailed description of the actual location. To...
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    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    I may have missed something but in the HLN clip with the sheriff, he mentions that one of the neighbors was out of the country when the crimes occurred. It may be possible that the killer knew that and was waiting for such an opportunity. That would depend on which neighbor it could have been.
  17. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    Knowing enough about Sheriff Sills pronouncements from the beginning, I find my thoughts returning to what would make at least some sense in the case. After Mrs. Dermond's body was found and the sheriff declared that the corpse was fully clothed in ordinary day clothes with no sign of sexual...
  18. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    Video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Y-6UFV_jI Of note is the sheriff's answer to the question at 6'45" in the video about the possibility of the corpse floating to the point of discovery. He replied that he didn't think so, instead of saying it was not possible. Is that reply...
  19. Nuvolari

    GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 5

    They could discuss hydraulics while using florescent water jugs filled 90% with water and connected together in "dummy" groups of 21 equaling 150 pounds of water per "dummy", and putting those at as many locations as practical around the lake, starting with the Dermond Cove and then downstream...

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