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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    My husband and I have been on 'vacation' on Italy. Otherwise, I'd have responded to your post earlier. To return to news of more predictable Arias' tactics is frustrating and amusing, in equal measure.
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Many of us have followed the trial closely. Hope4More sent me a private message and I responded generously. She has recited, repeated, organised and written enough information to write a book. I said so here. It isn't insensitive to absolutely disagree with some of her conclusions. Nor should...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    It wasn't an evaluation. It was a statement of fact.
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Salberg7: "Look no one is victim bashing and I think that is what angers you, H4M. But both Travis & were flawed individuals who had this weird connection like it or not. It is what it is. Many people in relationships play games all the time during “courting”. Especially young ones. And...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    I am also willing to listen. I simply disagree on those specific points. In other areas, I can agree with some of the same posters. You criticise other posters and disagree emphatically. Your anger and emotional responses don't serve you well. Equally, as frankly, Hope, I think you indulged the...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    This is not factually correct, Hope. Travis actually called Arias his girlfriend on the sex tape. In his own words, we all heard it. Salberg7's characterisation seems fair to me. Salberg7 is not claiming Travis did anything a normal guy of his age would not. Succinctly: Travis was not a...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    This quote from your post, I have no issue with, Hope:) My recollection of the 'no sex on the day' minority is very different to yours. Some simply refused point blank to even discuss the evidence or answer questions. On a quality sleuthing forum, evidence does count. Theories around the camera...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Freudianslip, the narrative Arias and her defence team tried to spin was the dominant one, I agree, in the beginning. Juan Martinez unpicked this cynical rhetoric and showed how loved Travis was. This young man's great qualities emerged through Juan's brilliant exposure of Arias' lies. Is it...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Salberg7, " What gets you so angry, H4M? He even still let her in the day he was killed. Why?" Hope4More, like Salberg7, I don't understand why you get so angry when people disagree with some parts of your assessment of Travis or Arias. I get your interest in the case. That is obvious. It very...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Salberg7, I am not suggesting that Travis was entirely free from his childhood. We all carry our pasts with us. Yet I think it is a step too far to suggest that shaped his behaviour with Arias - for a number of reasons. One being that (tragically) he can't speak for himself. Maybe he simply...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Hope4More, great work collating the texts and key event days. The more I have learnt about this case, the more questions I seem to have. The texts, journal entries, phone calls and events (seen in date order) provide the biggest picture possible. As we know, drawing conclusions from some...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    MM is an intriguing part of the puzzle. So many unknowns around him. So many questions.
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Salberg7, "But nonetheless Travis tolerated the . Why couldn’t he just cut her off? Because poor Travis was a crowd pleaser & maybe due to his upbringing (abandonment, insecurity) he could or would not willingly hurt anyone, including the killer." I completely agree that she surprised him...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Hope4More "Oh, what a piss -poor liar she is, really, but then again, she had always been able to get away with piling lies upon piles of lies, and so exhausting & confusing who she was lying to that they stopped trying to dig back to her original lies. Gaslighting works." Anytime I go back to...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    I doubt she would have left Hope, it was too great a risk, especially in daylight. Why would she hide for an hour? She was used to being invisible when housemates were around. My instinct is that she would have stuck to him like glue. Vital to ensure he didn't text, call or email anyone she was...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Pretty much everything she said that day I am suspicious of. The photographic evidence and timings of the sexual encounter and murder, I believe. Even seconds before the murder, there is so little to go on. I am intrigued by Juan Martinez' concession (around the eye-iris photos) that Arias was...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    The discussions around timestamps and photographs frustrate me because the court evidence is very strong and all of the arguments have been rebutted by facts. TexMex (I miss his contribution. Is he ok?) and others countered every point, if memory serves me correctly. The expert witnesses...
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    I had no clue what '' meant either. Realised it was not likely to be flattering and finally figured it out a short time ago. :)
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    Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

    Beautifully described. The range of voices is sinister. That moment she (almost in a breathless - flirty - voice) declares "well, it looks like me"- the sheer nerve. For shame. She is enjoying Detective Flores looking at her naked body. He plays her perfectly as she pushes herself over the desk...

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