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Im always amazed at how low the injury numbers are (obviously one person is still too many, goes without saying) when looking at the various weapon capability - looking at the Paris and Manchester terrorist attacks here too - and lack of a way to escape. Does anyone know if there is a reason in...

Okie dokie. Makes it somewhat harder to discuss a shooting without mentioning guns at all, but them's the rules. Apologies, I misread that post first time and thought it only mentioned gun control.

The mother who shared her daughters story mentioned it being 30 minutes - iirc she said 7.31 til 8.02.

Indeed. There's only one major difference between the US and other similar countries, and it's the access to guns. Not gun ownership per se - I'm in the UK but I'd buy one if I could (as a disabled mother who used to spend a lot of nights alone while the other half worked shifts, I'm quite...

I even wore a trench coat..!

I was the "weird kid" - bit too similar profile to many murderers for my liking!! - but no, I wasn't bullied; I was pretty much just ignored.

I think I remember reading it's potentially something to do with the acoustics when a gun goes off and echos, but I can't find the link now...

:( gosh that's hard reading :(

I guess the big difference is, only the woman would be at risk, not nine (and more) others...

That New Yorker article is great. My mind was wandering about this, and I thought of a blog I was reading earlier about the rise of violence in *advertiser censored*. Made me wonder if there was a link there, obviously there's been an increase in school shootings that correlates with the rise of the internet...

Looking at this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5725913/Mother-sent-photo-performing-sex-act-man-ex-charged-inciting-assault.html I'd hope that if he did contribute to a "snap", he could be prosecuted for it... :mad: one other thing... moo only... If I were Katrina in any sort of...

Btw, the order that sounds most plausible to me is: katerina, children, mother hears noise and comes out to barn, shoot mother, phone call, shoot self (but then good point upthread that the neighbours did not report shots after 5.15...?) OR in the theory that it was not PM: PM shot while asleep...

One thing I'm curious about... if the ex husband was stalking and sitting outside the property all night - and said he would be there on that night - where was he while the gun shots were going off...? Another thing that keeps popping in my head. We know women can have a tendency to marry men...

Very quick point to make... JMO It is my belief that JH was the nastiest one, and SH a victim of her. Someone said a few threads ago (sorry I can't quote - I've been catching up for days) that SH pulling along one of the children and leaving bruising was proof that SH was just as abusive as...

I'm watching the end of it now and shouting at the tv, while DH laughs at me :D

Just watching the ID "documentary" (I'll use that term loosely) and at the beginning it states that the grand jury findings are still unknown. When was it made to be able to state this - the verdict has been public for a couple of years now, hasn't it?

"I'm not speaking to you" doesn't have to mean anything ulterior. If BR is nearby and hears talking, he only needs to reply to get that response.

Being in the U.K. I grew up hearing about James Bulger frequently on the news (it's our JBR, it's mentioned A Lot). I guess that has an effect on how 'easily' I can come to terms with the idea that the initial murder and assault could be committed by a child.

The thing is 'perfect' DNA evidence tying anyone to the scene doesn't exist. This is always trotted out as proof that R didn't do it, without there being 'perfect' DNA evidence tying an intruder there either!! So there is no 'perfect' DNA evidence... That doesn't prove R didn't do it anymore...

Of course while I am sat here eating my muesli I can't think of any of the examples that led me to that conclusion :D