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    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    Not that it's still going on, no, but they did something after Jay's body was found. Since they were acting on behalf of the family, who still have "questions", I assume they would be looking where he fell from for signs of a struggle for example.
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    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    Excellent links. There's a difference between the two routes that I think might explain how and where the poor lad met his death. This is from your first link (all trails) annotated using my worlds beating MS Paint skills ;-) Point A is Jays last known location. B is the end of the good, wide...
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    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    That's excellent cheers. Interestingly, people have referenced above that he was found 20 mins walk past the last known location. In the video, the end of the path is 14 minutes on. Suggesting he'd left the path and into the rough ground.
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    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    It was where the track exits to the West, I knocked it up a while back, sorry.
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    Found Deceased Spain - Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #5

    I don't think it's that crazy he went off the road. He was travelling North, either mistakenly or misled by apple maps, the first thing he would have come to is a cafe. The cafe was shut - it opened at 10am. Opposite the cafe was a path leading up to a transmitter of sorts. It would make...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

    Ruth, Nobody's saying that. If the "last position" is real, then it means he was heading down that track at that point. He could have turned around and walked back to the road before heading in a different direction, though I doubt he stayed on the road for long given the lack of sightings...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #3

    I was getting a bit of stick on the last thread regarding the last "ping" and Paul Arnott's discrediting of it but not sure how to reply cross thread. But I think it's important and this is why I think it's nonsense. Firstly, calling the final location a "ping" is misleading. We should have all...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    Well, if a Tik tok "personality" said so ... Seriously, he evidently doesn't have a clue how apple location services work. This guy is a self serving halfwit of the worst kind.
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    The location of the last "ping" of his phone is on the track leading down the valley/ravine. It's been shown on this thread many times. A web site called Google will help you with the link. As to why, one of the possibilities is that just below the road is a building with a water container to...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    According to the Beeb, the big search is of the "Ravines and Trails around Masca". Not that helpful, but the rescuers are being told to meet up at the Mirador la Cruz de Hilda. This is a restaurant at the top of the Baranco Juan Lopez, the ravine we know Jay began down. This suggests to me they...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    Point A was the point the track left the main road so yes. The track is also evidently navigable by vehicle down to the nearest building (C on my map), as can be seen in this photo (note the tyre ruts):
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    If I were as much of a gambler as a Tory party election strategist, I'd probably bet the same.
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    Just seeing a lot of comments like "why did Jay leave the Road". This might help: A is where the track leaves the road. It's not visible here but from overhead it's quite wide and clear. The track heads towards B where another track leads to the building at C. The main track then zig zags back...
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    Found Deceased Jay Slater, 19, missing on holiday in Tenerife, 17 June 2024 #2

    That's not necessarily true. "A RAR could be used to address someone’s needs in the following areas: accommodation education, training and employment relationships lifestyle and associates non-dependent alcohol misuse (ATRs are intended for those who are alcohol dependent and DRRs for those...
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    Found Deceased UK - Gaynor Lord was last seen in Norwich city centre on London Street heading towards Norwich Cathedral, 2:35 pm, 8 December 2023

    Maybe finally settling on a course of action during the day. Rushes to a place of worship to contemplate, maybe make her peace. Walks calmly to the park. One hypothesis that fits the known facts. Alternatively, could have had a message to meet someone at the cathedral. Got some disappointing...
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    Found Deceased UK - Gaynor Lord was last seen in Norwich city centre on London Street heading towards Norwich Cathedral, 2:35 pm, 8 December 2023

    What does someone look like going to commit suicide? I think we're projecting how we'd imagine ourselves to look. This is from an NHS doc on seeing the signs: "Sudden sense of calm – A sudden sense of calm and happiness after being extremely depressed can mean that the person has made a...
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    Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

    Impulsive suicides do happen though. From a quick google: “In clinical settings, one often thinks of suicidal ideation and behavior as following a somewhat linear trajectory. It stands to reason, the clinician often surmises, that patients start with suicidal ideation, progress to making a...
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    Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire), Jan 2023 #18

    Unless, as seems likely, it was to preempt it appearing in the press, potentially in distorted fashion. PA hasn’t criticised the police for this, and he’s not been shy. So that’s good enough for me.
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    Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #17

    Two statements from the press conference, one from the police and one from the family, that don’t seem to have sunk in with some observers. The investigation is over, and rightly too. The poor girls body will have been examined by a pathologist and evidently nothing suggests foul play. Not that...

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