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I Just listened to the BBC sounds podcast about this case and was then directed to this thread by a pal on WS. Has anyone heard anything new since the podcast? @Nell91 did you get anywhere with the DNA?

Is it possible that one parent has been perceived by LE to be 'covering up' for the other? This could result in the dual charge IMO.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13598325/The-Sandman-Good-Omens-author-Neil-Gaiman-denies-allegations-sexually-abusive-behaviour-against-two-women-consensual-relationships.html The Sandman and Good Omens author Neil Gaiman denies allegations of sexually abusive behaviour against two...

It's essentially like a massive accumulation of terrible luck. Eg in one of those cases the sitter had a new phone so her call didn't interrupt the mums meeting. What is most fascinating/terrible to me about the article is the way it details the way the events all line up to create the most...

Everyone following this, please, if you can bear to, read the following article from Washington post. It's such an interesting deep dive into how these things happen, and also reveals why the automotive industry isn't doing more to fight it, eg like with seat belt bleepers. Trigger warning...

SBM I'm not disagreeing with your essential point, but I just want to flag that this narrative of CM is a little misleading and one which IMO has been media driven. The cult is a long way in CM's past, though media reports have made it seem otherwise. She did lots of stuff since, which speak...

Re. Parents meddling, I don't have a lot of experience with wealthy people but the few times I have encountered them, the thing they have all had in common is that their families stay entrenched and entangled in each other's business way longer than in other families where "family money" is not...

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SBM I agree. Two theories of mine (total speculation JMO): 1. She felt unjustly treated by the trust (she gave evidence as such). JMo but this kind of living may have been a highly successful way for CM to extract money from them, even when they had laid out terms such as "no more mark...

On that social services documentary recommended waaaay up thread, there was a child whose parents never bought him a bed. He was four or five I think. The parents had their own bed, but he didn't sleep there. They had just never bothered to buy him a bed so he just fell asleep wherever, and...

Yep. Join the club. And when I followed her testimony a third possibility: dark triad Psychopath. The grandstanding, the grandiosity, the history of being drawn to cults, the accusations of family members, the fighting over money, the enormous debts and financial incontinence, the self pity and...

Yes, apologies, I conflated your post and the one before. For me, I think the bag is the cherry on the cake, as it were. The fact that they didn't report it makes them look extremely guilty IMO. You're right, burial or cremation could have looked even more guilty, which is exactly what CM...

Maybe. I'll read your post again.

There was quite a lot of coverage of her giving evidence. She certainly didn't seem like much of a charmer, IMO. The podcasts are def the best way to catch up on the details of this, think the newspaper coverage was a bit hit and miss.

I believe burial and cremation and ceremony are natural human ways to cope with grieving and death. There are other ways too. I just don't think shoving the body in a bag and covering it up, calling it "evidence" and then refusing to reveal its whereabouts in case it incriminates you are the...

It's the agreed facts that the defence agreed to pre trial. It means they didn't call witnesses as CM didn't contest the facts. Then when she gave evidence she contested loads of the facts she had previously agreed. This would fit with narc style obfuscation IMO.

Perhaps if they were accused of killing the baby by carrying the baby in the bag, they would have followed the line of enquiry further. But, to a normal, feeling person, the placing of their recently deceased infant into a bag for life, in a dirty nappy, covered by rubbish, would be utterly...

But I think the only reason why the baby wasn't subject to a care order was because authorities didn't know about it, otherwise it would have been. MOO but I suspect that everyone behind the scenes in this case has additional information which they aren't allowed to use as evidence, which is...

She's not a witness though, she's a defendant. And he definitely nailed those two big ones. It's obvious to anyone that they are lying about the car seat, the panic to evacuate the car didn't allow for the car seat to disappear from the scene or burn into oblivion. It's stupid to even say it...

The thing, is I'm not sure how much outside third party evidence there is that she was in the cult or how long she spent there. It seems to be by her own report, an interview she did in cosmopolitan, no longer available. There are other people who have been interviewed about what 'would' have...