Bluebear15
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I hope that they are found guilty on all charges. I only care about baby Victoria and her very short life so callously snuffed out
why me?!
Oh, for pity's sake!! This is verging on farcical now lol.why me?!
According to the DM podcast (which is literally the only place reporting on today's court proceedings so far) Recorder Lucraft has still not finished Summing up and won't until "some time next week."
It was one of the bigger surprises of this trial for me to find out that there was actually some basis to the PI accusations. I thought it was going to turn out to be a complete fabrication! Still, I think Connie is pushing it a lot to suggest that the PI's were following her around the country, sabotaging their vehicles and neccessitating that they carry over 30 different burner phones.Re. Parents meddling, I don't have a lot of experience with wealthy people but the few times I have encountered them, the thing they have all had in common is that their families stay entrenched and entangled in each other's business way longer than in other families where "family money" is not an issue.
The hiring of PI's could have been to do with finding out where the money was going or what debts were mounting. CM seems to have been a constant and unpredictable financial drain on the trust and the situation was clearly escalating.
JMO.
Yes. It shouldn't be assumed that the hiring of PIs was principally to do with a concern for child welfare. I was going to say the answer to "Why the PIs?" was probably "money", but held back for fear of being thought flippant. But it probably was (IMO).Re. Parents meddling, I don't have a lot of experience with wealthy people but the few times I have encountered them, the thing they have all had in common is that their families stay entrenched and entangled in each other's business way longer than in other families where "family money" is not an issue.
The hiring of PI's could have been to do with finding out where the money was going or what debts were mounting. CM seems to have been a constant and unpredictable financial drain on the trust and the situation was clearly escalating.
JMO.
Reason for what, though?Except I didn't say "without asking their son or daughter".
For me, hiring investigators would not be a first resort but a last one if all appeals to reason had failed.
We simply don't know what caused the parent/s to engage a PI but I suggest that if it was something that a jury would consider was unjustified surely the defence would have made a much bigger deal of it.
I don't know. WE don't know because it hasn't been reported.Reason for what, though?
I doubt as the beneficiary of a trust fund with a lot of discretion involved she has been in a position to involve herself much in its management. Not sure that it's lawyers who are managing it either. It might be Hoares the private bankers.Reason for what, though?
I assume she had a lawyer on dial-up to manage her trust fund at the very least. Said lawyer obviously had a way to contact here, maybe 1/37 burners ways for all we know..
A PI in a case like that if I'm correct takes on a whole new meaning.. more like spying and invading..
I think it's something that should have been explored further..
Were her fears real or a delusion?
The Hoare Trust had a way of contacting CM and in fact tried to contact her after the fifth January. I would imagine that CMs relationship with the contact at the Hoare Trust was long standing as there appeared to be (from the evidence submitted) much emailing back and forth re requests for additional funds and/or increase to the monthly payments.Reason for what, though?
I assume she had a lawyer on dial-up to manage her trust fund at the very least. Said lawyer obviously had a way to contact here, maybe 1/37 burners ways for all we know..
A PI in a case like that if I'm correct takes on a whole new meaning.. more like spying and invading..
I think it's something that should have been explored further..
Were her fears real or a delusion?
Of course she does.The Hoare Trust had a way of contacting CM and in fact tried to contact her after the fifth January. I would imagine that CMs relationship with the contact at the Hoare Trust was long standing as there appeared to be (from the evidence submitted) much emailing back and forth re requests for additional funds and/or increase to the monthly payments.
It is clear that the relationship with her father had broken down. CM has testified that she decided to cut all ties with a family member when she met MG. IMO that family member was her father. Doesn’t she have a right to not have that relationship with him or any other family member if she doesn’t want to?
I agree in lots of ways. I think MG’s police interviews demonstrated a lot and I personally won’t forget them.I think she killed a baby.
What manipulation? The minute she gots hold of another baby she proved the courts, social services and her family right. She was not a safe mother and didn't make choices that prioritise her kids health or safety.
She says a lot of conspiritorial stuff. Most of it unbelievable. If her family did hire PIs to find her/the kids I find that entirely reasonable. Especially if she was dodging SS and the kids had no oversight until they were found. It's no secret SS is under resourced, so the family could have decided it was worth locating her for them.
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I must say Gordon's strategy to disappear in this trial is working very well. He should have been a lightning rod for a villain narrative. Instead Marten has done all the talking and attracted all the commentary and the criticism. His role and impact on their choices has all but disappeared into the background. Despite their relationship having all the classic risk factors for high risk controlling DV: significant history of violence, decade age difference, quick successive pregnancies, cutting off family and friends etc. Sitting down and shutting up was probably his smartest play.
If I believed my grandkids were in danger of harm by their own parents I'd use any means available to me to try to ensure their future safety.
a last resort for parents who'd already seen their daughter, who appears to have some kind of psychological/personality disorder, run away to join a cult, take up with a man with a violent past and then get pregnant.
I agree. I have done this myself. But I didn’t engage PIs and I didn’t make an application to make the children Wards of the Court. What I did do was call and make a formal report to the Child Protection Team at the local police station and at the same time make a report to Social Services. My focus was my grandchildren, not their parents.100% this and I'm sure anyone here who was an abused, neglected, harmed, or injured in anyway whatsoever child wishes that just anyone had stuck their neck out for them. It's the biggest resentment, wondering why nobody did anything.
I have wondered though, whether MG ‘triggered’ her, though on balance, I think it is more ‘saviour complex’.SBM I'm not disagreeing with your essential point, but I just want to flag that this narrative of CM is a little misleading and one which IMO has been media driven.
The cult is a long way in CM's past, though media reports have made it seem otherwise. She did lots of stuff since, which speak IMO to having made a pretty decent recovery from whatever trauma she alleges she went through (so far no third party accounts of CM being the cult so we have to take her word for it).