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The go-to explanation when this happens is usually that evidence points to a cop, or failing that, a prominent member of the community. Another reason perhaps is that they think they know who did it, but can't prove it. They don't want that person's status as a suspect compromised by more...

I'm really not sure I agree at all that the key to this is figuring out the girls' plans, and why they were where they were. There's so much speculation trying to understand their route, who they were planning to meet, and whether they were lost. I would posit there's a very good chance that...

I'm convinced that someone knows something. It always seems the case in these small town murders that people know something but don't come forward for whatever reason. What this case needs, in my opinion, is the pressure of having it seriously looked into. I really hope it gets the full...

My thinking is that if you're sitting on information about who did it, say if you're a girlfriend or something, it may bother your conscience nightly, but there's really no pressure to make a decision one way or another when the case is this cold. However, once Payne starts digging around...

I thought the exact same thing when the Grinstead case was solved. We may never know for sure, but I think it's quite reasonable that the Up and Vanished podcast, while it never even came close to zeroing in on the perp, might have contributed to the resolution. With interest in the case so...

Thanks for this. I think people are over a little bit "oversexing" this case, wanting to assume that these girls are practically living double lives, because the wild teenage girl trope is so dominant in entertainment. From everything I've read they were pretty normal range "good" teens, not...

Lost or not, I don't see anything that strongly points away from this. I like running other scenarios, but there's just nothing I'm aware of that makes this not the most likely scenario. Easongt's has changed his/her theory from that random act to them being specifically targeted for...

Yep, agreed. Possible the killer was incidental to the reason they were there, but the fact they were there enabled their murder. Meaning, the killer wasn't the one that "lured them" or planned it out that way, but the opportunity arose. Thinking something like: Cute Boys: "Hey come see us."...

With you 100% about the DNA. Given no other signs of sexual molestation, I don't think it should be exclusionary at all. I can't understand why the police seem to be using it as such, unless... a. They're acting as if it's exclusionary to lull the possible killer into a false sense of...

I absolutely think this is possible/likely. In fact...I tend to think that it doesn't matter. I think they could have been flat out lost and ended up in Ozark by mistake, I think they could have been just sort of disoriented - not really lost but not sure exactly what roads/direction they...

I agree with all of those possibilities, 100%. But are any of those possibilities consistent with being "lured" to Ozark by the killer? Would the killer have know where in Ozark they would be passing, and what time? That JB would decide to stop and say hi to a friend? That they would get...

Yeah, I've been noodling around this, and the real sticking point in this idea is the phone call. It doesn't totally contradict the theory that they got lured there, but I think it does reduce it's likelihood somewhat. So if they were lured there, here are the options as I see them: 1) They...

Yeah, I follow you. Its worth thinking about for sure. I'm not sure if I've concocted a scenario in my head at least that gets from "here" to "there", there being the double execution of two 17 year old girls. For most people, that's about the most extreme solution possible...you'd think...

I agree with you that we would need to know a LOT more about this particular dispute to flesh this out as a potential motive. At the end of the day, custody hearings of various sorts, including of this nature, are exceedingly common. Double executions of high school girls are not. This is...

So let me see if I'm following your train of thought...someone close to the custody case is concerned that the case might bring to light something that they don't want exposed. So, for example, if one of the parties on either side of the custody case had close associates in unsavory activities...

Interesting point. That is possible. That said...I still tend to think that when Tracy called, they thought they were on their way home. While it's possible that JB had other plans, it just seems like if they thought they'd be out longer, they'd give a different excuse, or say they were...

If there was some evidence in that area, I'm open to anything. But to me, considering the axe that HCR has to grind, it appears like the "tapes" part is him starting at the end and working backwards from there. Especially since there doesn't seem to be any need to explain such an outlandish...

Well, I'm not going to ignore details, when the motive, at least as I've seen it, doesn't make any real sense. If someone said they were killed because they had a magical stone, would you say, "don't get caught up in the details of the magical stone"? I would think the very idea would call...

I've read a little from there, and I get the temptation to think LE is involved...but has he definitively said where two 17 year old girls get incriminating tapes of drug deals at the highest levels? Maybe he's come out with that, but the several I've read just state that they're in the girls'...

What would be really interesting would be a reconstruction of everywhere JBs car was from the point it was filled with gas. Of course, you'd also have to know whether it was truly filled up all the way or not. If you could recreate her travels from the fill up, you'd have a pretty good idea...