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    Elisa Lam - **LIST FACTS ONLY -- Non Discussion**

    According to examiner.com, Elisa Lam was staying on the 4th floor at the Cecil Hotel.
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    I agree with MesaVerde that it's just vastly more likely that a man killed her than a woman... I'll find a better source and more recent info if you want but, according to Gender and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "In 2004, males were almost 10 times more likely than females to commit...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    I don't think there's any lack of "cranial capacity". There's a dearth of new evidence... I agree, though. I don't have much more to say until the toxicology report comes out and the coroner makes a judgment about the cause of death. I've just watched the youtube video again for about the...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    MesaVerde and Conductor, you both seem like intelligent fact-based contributors to me, so I'm sure you can discuss these issues without acrimony. I'm not a moderator here, and I'm not supposed to moderate, so feel free to tell me to butt out, but I just want to say that I've been reading the...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    I don't recall anyone having posted this here. Sina English reports "Rumor has it a staff member of the hotel was detained on suspiction of killing Lam." "Rumor has it..." is admittedly very weak. So perhaps we shouldn't put much stock in it, but it's interesting nonetheless. Many people here...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    I just want to point out that I explicitly said in the post you're responding to that her behavior might have been the result of an illicit drug taken involuntarily, or her legal medications (the ones she mentioned on what seems to be her blog) or Ambien. And I even made clear that I think it's...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    Okay, fine. But you didn't know her, so i don't see how you can be certain what she would have done. Not everyone who takes drugs voluntarily is a bad person. Some of them are good people who make a poor choice. Some of them turn out to be pretty successful later in life (Steve Jobs comes to...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #5

    I agree with necco. I'm inclined to think that she was not in her right mind in the surveillance video, and that this could be due to illicit drug or medications she was on. Again, an expert on the behavior of people on drugs thought her behavior consistent with ecstasy use...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    I'm not sure what happened there, but I agree with Tapu. None of us knows for sure what happened to Elisa, so we shouldn't just cling dogmatically and stridently to our own theories, right? I mean, we just don't have enough facts, though some people here have done a good job of collecting info...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Thanks to Borris and Conductor. It does sound rather more complicated in the Dundee link (which I just read) the Dr. Lee made it sound. Anyway, I'll think about this some more later, and read up on it, including the link from Bessie, which I somehow missed earlier. I still have a lot of...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Okay, I see. Dr. Lee says: "This is why when a case like Elisa's occur, the first thing to do would be to ascertain whether she died before she entered water, or after. This is not difficult, because her abdomen and lungs can be examined to see if any water has entered them; her windpipe can be...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    This is really a valuable contribution. Thanks Anansie. According to Dr. Henry Lee, a renowned expert on forensics, figuring out whether Elisa drowned or not should be fairly "straightforward." According to media reports (which as Lee notes are not always reliable), the coroner found no sign of...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Futz, here's where I totally agree with you. You and I agree that this (probably) not just an accident or suicide. And, like, you, I'm outraged by the murder of this girl. And what's even worse is that someone who has killed one young woman might well do it again (whether he is, as I suspect, a...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Okay, I've read your posts outlining this theory. I disagree with them. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I don't understand the logistics of the elevator video if she's talking to someone and in her right mind. Still, I don't claim to know with certainty what happened, so I can't say you're...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    My thinking on this puzzling case so far: This could have been an accident, a suicide, or a murder. 1) Accident: this would seem like a very unlikely accident. How could she have "accidentally" ended up in the water tank? Why would she have gone in deliberately? For a swim? It doesn't make...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Thanks AC. I'm not sure how much to rely on a report by someone who might be the sister of a Chinese reporter who talked to the coroner, though. That's a little far removed form the real source. Still, one would think that if she had been violently raped, the coroner would be able to tell that...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    I tend to be skeptical about psychics' claims. Most of them are frauds. They might say something like "I'm seeing an M... Is there someone with an M in your life?" And then the credulous believer says, "Oh yes, it's my brother Mark. He died in a car accident." But then, who doesn't have...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    Yeah, I don't think "faith" has anything to do with this. We're trying to use our "little grey cells" to figure out what happened base on the evidence... Elisa's behavior in the elevator strikes me, and many others, as very strange. And so it's quite reasonable to wonder whether she had...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    I think this an important point. Human brains have a strong tendency to look for patterns, and to see them even when they don't exist. Show a person a random collection of, dots, and that person will tend to see something in it--a face, and animal, etc... It's just part of the way we process...
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    CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

    I've been disappointed in the lack of media coverage of this terrible case in the US. I wonder whether it would light a fir under some of these journalists and, in turn, the police, if they received a lot of emails or letters imploring them (politely) to increase their coverage of it and do some...

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