I'm behind a paywall now, so can't read the article, but based on the clip here: This sounds like a very typical situation for a blended family, especially with two ex-wives and kids who are already hitting their teens. Pretty standard, also, for a younger woman who dreamed of having kids of her own pairing with a man who might be finished with having babies. It's all pretty damn natural & in no way indicative of being suicidal.
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I'm behind a paywall now, so can't read the article, but based on the clip here: This sounds like a very typical situation for a blended family, especially with two ex-wives and kids who are already hitting their teens. Pretty standard, also, for a younger woman who dreamed of having kids of her own pairing with a man who might be finished with having babies. It's all pretty damn natural & in no way indicative of being suicidal.
Wow. Ok, I stand by my opinion that JS might have called. But, Adam either picked up and spoke to him... or just listened and deleted the message. Unbelievable that they didn't test for fingerprints on her phone.
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Wow! Great interview with Caitlin Rother regarding this week in court! http://www.kusi.com/caitlin-rother-on-the-rebecca-zahau-trial/ I'm jumping for joy at this:
Caitlin said the most dramatic thing, possibly of the whole week, was Greer's cross examination of SDSO's lead detective today. She said he "took apart the sheriffs case like a table, removing one leg at a time."
Saying essentially:
Are you concerned there was no DNA on knife Adam used to cut the ropes down?
No DNA on paint brushes?
No DNA on door?
No DNA on doorknob?
Why is all this DNA missing?
Are you concerned about that?
She said, "Their conclusion of suicide was based on all these points & he (Greer) knocked them down, one at a time."
She also said of the jury:
"I heard gasps "
Go to town, Attorney Greer!!!
Caitlin said the most dramatic thing, possibly of the whole week, was Greer's cross examination of SDSO's lead detective today. She said he "took apart the sheriffs case like a table, removing one leg at a time."
Saying essentially:
Are you concerned there was no DNA on knife Adam used to cut the ropes down?
No DNA on paint brushes?
No DNA on door?
No DNA on doorknob?
Why is all this DNA missing?
Are you concerned about that?
She said, "Their conclusion of suicide was based on all these points & he (Greer) knocked them down, one at a time."
She also said of the jury:
"I heard gasps "
Go to town, Attorney Greer!!!
I'm with you on that one, clearskies1. There's no way I would've stayed in any part of that house if someone had assaulted or even attempted to assault me.
And that's the reason I'm having a hard time reconciling that the assault took place initially in the guesthouse. If it did, I don't believe RZ would've then went to the main house and showered, knowing full well a monster was just feet away and could have attacked again at any moment.
Also, maybe someone could help me understand something. The whole hogtie situation (among other things) really, really bothers me. But what I'm not understanding is...RZ was found deceased? And hogtied? And her death is classified as a suicide? Uhhhmmm, I don't know about you all but I can't figure out how it's possible to hogtie one's self. Idk. Perhaps it is. If you're Houdini. I mean, I guess it might be possible if someone tried hard enough. But in conjunction with all of the other evidence like her physical injuries, and I won't even get into the fact that there weren't any fingerprints on the door knob in the bedroom. I could go on and on. But let's just suffice it to say, I hope justice will prevail. And btw, Happy Birthday Rebecca!
Today in court...
Ok, it was the lead detective today and I just had to go...too many unanswered questions for me not to...Heres my take on the day and Im sorry in advance its long...
Heads up, it was very much a win by Mr Greer today, IMO.
The lady detective was questioned first by the defense, she was their witness as it was out of sync as AS couldnt testify as yet. He will be on Monday.
She has been a police officer for 27 years. Estimated 100 death investigations in that time ( no specificity on type of death, ie not just murder)
The defense initially went through, in great detail, the running of the events, time reported, time of notification, time of arrival, what and who was on the scene etc. ...then they went through all the roles, who cleared the house, what it meant ( explaining everything to the jury in more detail of standard procedures) who was the photographer, what they photographed, how many photographs...how they collect DNA, how they collect fingerprints, what is a fingerprint card... canvassing the neighborhood process etc etc...
I feel this extra emphasis on process was a defense strategy designed to give the jury the impression everything was followed by the book, when the detective was just really explaining standardized rules from the textbook, and interjecting this into the process.
The lady sitting next to me nodded off...really...tells you a lot about that strategy I suppose(!) Nothing of any significance for our analysis in the first hours.
Then there were lists put up of who ( investigators) were involved. 11 detectives at the first briefing, then 30 by the third. Yes I said 30. The defense read them off. One. By. One.
They included special agents from the Cal Dept of Justice. It was obviously designed to give the impression that they gave huge resources and expertise to the case.
However, it came out that several of the agents were there because they were assigned to SDPD on a several year assignment ( I got the impression it was a support program?) So not just for RZs case. Also several of the other attendees were identified as not working on the case.
Personally, I was left with the impression that the increased numbers probably indicated that everyone came along to the briefing who could - simply as it was a bizarre case and they were inquisitive - but it was likely designed to make the jury think it was a huge resource.
The statements that stuck out for me were the detectives words to the effect of ...we thought this was a homicide initially...they were very odd circumstances...it was a suspicious death and... Id never seen anything like this...it was unfamiliar to me....
The second point which drew attention for me was the defense tried very hard to get the content of the voicemail supposedly left on RZs phone in as evidence, but couldnt.
Mr G kept objecting as they tried to get the detective to state what was allegedly in the message ( when she never heard it) ...lacks foundation, calls for speculation. At one point the detective stated that JS told her that his message consisted of an apology for not calling earlier, that max was brain dead, and they would have to decide on donating his organs the next morning.
Then Mr G asked for a motion to strike the comment from the record, the judge agreed (as it was hearsay) and the jury were told to disregard it - this is what was in the press article, but it was actually disallowed by the Judge..
They went on to emphasize that this was a priority case, worked on for about 4 to 6 weeks. This all took up virtually the morning. Then Mr Greer started the cross examination which lasted the remainder of the day.
During the course of Mr Greers cross there were a lot of objections from the defense. He overcame many by re-wording his questions, he did well.
Without doing a line by line analysis of everything, Im going to round up my feelings on the interaction...and give you the KEY points for me that came out of the testimony ( lest you all be bored to death)
Although a defensive position was expected, the detective was, in my opinion, overly sensitive and defensive. There was what I would consider blame shifting at every opportunity, everyone decided, never her alone it seemed. If there was a problem with one piece of evidence, it didnt count as evidence had to be considered together
One example would be this.
Mr G - re the lack of DNA or fingerprints on the paint tube. Was this unusual or unexpected to you?
Detective - no, that had no impact on the investigation.
Mr G - So this tube that was squeezed many times to paint that door message, handled a lot, squeezed and manipulated, you dont find it unusual I DNA, no fingerprints?
Det. No, everyone is different if they deposit DNA or fingerprints, and you would need to speak to the DNA collection tech about that.
Mr G- but your the lead detective, weighing up the evidence...youre the one determining suicide or murder and what is suspicious...as an example - if I pick up an item one time, and then pick up an item 100 times, you feel that there is no more likelihood of me leaving DNA or fingerprints on the item I handled 100 times?
Det. No, probably not..
MR G - So when you weigh up the possibilities this would make no difference? One time vs 100. Are you really saying that?
Det. We take everything into consideration as a whole, not just one piece of evidence....
At one point when obviously running out of excuses on this, she said the person who painted could have not squeezed the tube at all, and put the brush down the top of the tube ( the hole is the size of a toothpaste tube...) it was really quite ridiculous to suggest this. Everyone sort of looked at each other....what? It was indicative of the testy, defensive exchange throughout.
( Im paraphrasing above , but you get the general idea. She appeared quite obstructive to me on what were really, quite common sense answers....defensive, and it really showed in my opinion)
She also repeatedly referred to the blood found as red stains which I have to be honest, I found particularly irritating..and would only admit to blood when really pressed, and pressed hard on some occasions. Particularly regarding the vaginal blood on the handle of the small knife.
She admitted she was never made aware of or considered the small knife being used for a sexual assault, and never considered the red stain on all four sides as indicating it had been inserted into RZ.
She really appeared to dance ALL around this in questioning...after she had admitted it.
Mr G was masterful with it I thought. She attempted to say the red stain was only DNA. When proved by Mr G with evidence it was blood, she attempted to say it didnt necessarily come from RZ vagina. When it was proved there was no other blood source other than the vagina, (through showing the evidence) she said it could have come from the transfer the spots on the floor...or the spots towel!
It was quite ridiculous.
Mr G had her shuffling about trying to get out of it...but she ultimately had to admit she did not consider that a knife coated with vaginal blood up the handle without RZs fingerprints on it was never considered as an item of assault.
She ended up ( passing the buck it appeared) by saying she felt she was justified in not considering this as the medical examiner said there was no evidence of a sexual assault and we take all evidence into consideration as a whole.....
The mantra. Every time mr G highlighted a mistake or anomaly, it couldnt be considered on its own, it had to be taken as all the evidence together....
She even said I know I sound like a stuck record herself! Every time something was discredited she said it couldnt be taken on its own...
Trouble was, EVERYTHING was beginning to appear a mistake...and thats really how it came across to me.
Heres what else came out ( best I can recall)
She said in her view -
* there was no evidence of wiping down at the scene
* the red stain on the shower floor in the master was not tested as ...it was not in the main room where the ropes were found and it was quite far away from the bedroom where the ropes were tied
* The red stain in the shower was decided as unrelated to events
* the large clump of hair found on the shower wall in the master was a handful, of long dark hair and it was never collected OR tested - or thought significant (as there was a hairbrush in the shower)
* The hair clump was decided as unrelated to events
* The fact that there was no other DNA found at the scene was significant in deciding it was a suicide.
* everyone involved in the investigation, decided it was a suicide, not her alone, and no one thought otherwise in the whole investigation ( Mr G asked did they have a vote ( sarcastically) ...she said no everyone just agreed
* They focused the primary search and investigation on the bedroom where the ropes were found tied to the bed
* No expert analysis of balcony foot prints was thought necessary or was completed
* No expert analysis of the door painting was investigated or requested
* A Video was made of model tying ropes in same fashion as RZ - detective admitted the model had to practice over six or seven times to try and get them to match
* No expert analysis sought or investigated into the knots as one of the detectives seemed able to copy them so this was enough to decide no expertise was needed
* The ropes were loose on her wrists which was clearly indicative of her tying herself up
* RZ significant weight loss was indicative of depression and stress and contributed to the suicide decision - however her sisters report of this was actually 7 month earlier, and Mr Greers evidence showed she was 100 lbs at death and 105 lbs at the time of the report...no weight loss.
* The autopsy also said she was well nourished, but not considered.
* The detective did not ascertain RZ prior weight loss or investigate further, took it only at face value. Admitted there was no apparent weight loss
* Admitted RZ molestation as a child was contributory factor in suicide ruling, but failed to investigate any circumstances or if it was true. Ignored deposition of other sister where it was stated it had no effect on RZ and only happened once
* Failed to seek copy of voice message that was deleted around time of RZ death until it was too late ( approx 30 days after collection of the phone) had no explanation, only it was too late by the time it was requested
* Failed to fingerprint the phone ( as the print powder would make it dirty and she wanted to look at it manually (there was a gasp from the gallery when she said that)
* When Mr G said how does she know it was RZ who deleted and listened to the last voice message, and not someone who had incapacitated her?
* she said because ...
* ...It was RZs phone
* ...She was in the house alone
* Mr G said - How did she know she was alone?
* Because ADAM TOLD HER
* As her voicemail was accessed they know she was still alive at 12.50
* A rape kit was used and tested on RZ and no semen was found
* She was unaware of the position of the prints on the knife blades indicating the holding position behind back
* Did not seek out or test any tape that could have put residue on RZs legs. Assumed it was sports tape.
* Could not explain why the balcony door, when tested with fingerprint powder, had a huge, dry clean patch/area at the handle, surrounding the handle and door jamb)
* (OMG the photo was quite unbelievable...IMO you could see where someone had actually wiped down the door)
* Admitted to updating JS on ongoing investigation around seven or eight times. When challenged - modified to say only to question him if I needed some info
Appeared very sensitive when asked about protocols and why was she updating a family member with case Info, denied this was the case.
* AS was a person of interest initially
* AS gave sample DNA and fingerprints etc when asked, no objection
All this is just my opinion and interpretation of the day, I hope it is interesting for you guys....Im paraphrasing somewhat to try and give a general idea and I cant do shorthand, but this is the best of my recollection. Im sure I missed quite a bit, if I recall I will post it...
Best to all
EDIT
Reason / meaning behind message on the door thought to be this -
She saved him = RZ saved Max with CPR
Can you save her = Can God save RZ soul after suicide
Ok, it was the lead detective today and I just had to go...too many unanswered questions for me not to...Heres my take on the day and Im sorry in advance its long...
Heads up, it was very much a win by Mr Greer today, IMO.
The lady detective was questioned first by the defense, she was their witness as it was out of sync as AS couldnt testify as yet. He will be on Monday.
She has been a police officer for 27 years. Estimated 100 death investigations in that time ( no specificity on type of death, ie not just murder)
The defense initially went through, in great detail, the running of the events, time reported, time of notification, time of arrival, what and who was on the scene etc. ...then they went through all the roles, who cleared the house, what it meant ( explaining everything to the jury in more detail of standard procedures) who was the photographer, what they photographed, how many photographs...how they collect DNA, how they collect fingerprints, what is a fingerprint card... canvassing the neighborhood process etc etc...
I feel this extra emphasis on process was a defense strategy designed to give the jury the impression everything was followed by the book, when the detective was just really explaining standardized rules from the textbook, and interjecting this into the process.
The lady sitting next to me nodded off...really...tells you a lot about that strategy I suppose(!) Nothing of any significance for our analysis in the first hours.
Then there were lists put up of who ( investigators) were involved. 11 detectives at the first briefing, then 30 by the third. Yes I said 30. The defense read them off. One. By. One.
They included special agents from the Cal Dept of Justice. It was obviously designed to give the impression that they gave huge resources and expertise to the case.
However, it came out that several of the agents were there because they were assigned to SDPD on a several year assignment ( I got the impression it was a support program?) So not just for RZs case. Also several of the other attendees were identified as not working on the case.
Personally, I was left with the impression that the increased numbers probably indicated that everyone came along to the briefing who could - simply as it was a bizarre case and they were inquisitive - but it was likely designed to make the jury think it was a huge resource.
The statements that stuck out for me were the detectives words to the effect of ...we thought this was a homicide initially...they were very odd circumstances...it was a suspicious death and... Id never seen anything like this...it was unfamiliar to me....
The second point which drew attention for me was the defense tried very hard to get the content of the voicemail supposedly left on RZs phone in as evidence, but couldnt.
Mr G kept objecting as they tried to get the detective to state what was allegedly in the message ( when she never heard it) ...lacks foundation, calls for speculation. At one point the detective stated that JS told her that his message consisted of an apology for not calling earlier, that max was brain dead, and they would have to decide on donating his organs the next morning.
Then Mr G asked for a motion to strike the comment from the record, the judge agreed (as it was hearsay) and the jury were told to disregard it - this is what was in the press article, but it was actually disallowed by the Judge..
They went on to emphasize that this was a priority case, worked on for about 4 to 6 weeks. This all took up virtually the morning. Then Mr Greer started the cross examination which lasted the remainder of the day.
During the course of Mr Greers cross there were a lot of objections from the defense. He overcame many by re-wording his questions, he did well.
Without doing a line by line analysis of everything, Im going to round up my feelings on the interaction...and give you the KEY points for me that came out of the testimony ( lest you all be bored to death)
Although a defensive position was expected, the detective was, in my opinion, overly sensitive and defensive. There was what I would consider blame shifting at every opportunity, everyone decided, never her alone it seemed. If there was a problem with one piece of evidence, it didnt count as evidence had to be considered together
One example would be this.
Mr G - re the lack of DNA or fingerprints on the paint tube. Was this unusual or unexpected to you?
Detective - no, that had no impact on the investigation.
Mr G - So this tube that was squeezed many times to paint that door message, handled a lot, squeezed and manipulated, you dont find it unusual I DNA, no fingerprints?
Det. No, everyone is different if they deposit DNA or fingerprints, and you would need to speak to the DNA collection tech about that.
Mr G- but your the lead detective, weighing up the evidence...youre the one determining suicide or murder and what is suspicious...as an example - if I pick up an item one time, and then pick up an item 100 times, you feel that there is no more likelihood of me leaving DNA or fingerprints on the item I handled 100 times?
Det. No, probably not..
MR G - So when you weigh up the possibilities this would make no difference? One time vs 100. Are you really saying that?
Det. We take everything into consideration as a whole, not just one piece of evidence....
At one point when obviously running out of excuses on this, she said the person who painted could have not squeezed the tube at all, and put the brush down the top of the tube ( the hole is the size of a toothpaste tube...) it was really quite ridiculous to suggest this. Everyone sort of looked at each other....what? It was indicative of the testy, defensive exchange throughout.
( Im paraphrasing above , but you get the general idea. She appeared quite obstructive to me on what were really, quite common sense answers....defensive, and it really showed in my opinion)
She also repeatedly referred to the blood found as red stains which I have to be honest, I found particularly irritating..and would only admit to blood when really pressed, and pressed hard on some occasions. Particularly regarding the vaginal blood on the handle of the small knife.
She admitted she was never made aware of or considered the small knife being used for a sexual assault, and never considered the red stain on all four sides as indicating it had been inserted into RZ.
She really appeared to dance ALL around this in questioning...after she had admitted it.
Mr G was masterful with it I thought. She attempted to say the red stain was only DNA. When proved by Mr G with evidence it was blood, she attempted to say it didnt necessarily come from RZ vagina. When it was proved there was no other blood source other than the vagina, (through showing the evidence) she said it could have come from the transfer the spots on the floor...or the spots towel!
It was quite ridiculous.
Mr G had her shuffling about trying to get out of it...but she ultimately had to admit she did not consider that a knife coated with vaginal blood up the handle without RZs fingerprints on it was never considered as an item of assault.
She ended up ( passing the buck it appeared) by saying she felt she was justified in not considering this as the medical examiner said there was no evidence of a sexual assault and we take all evidence into consideration as a whole.....
The mantra. Every time mr G highlighted a mistake or anomaly, it couldnt be considered on its own, it had to be taken as all the evidence together....
She even said I know I sound like a stuck record herself! Every time something was discredited she said it couldnt be taken on its own...
Trouble was, EVERYTHING was beginning to appear a mistake...and thats really how it came across to me.
Heres what else came out ( best I can recall)
She said in her view -
* there was no evidence of wiping down at the scene
* the red stain on the shower floor in the master was not tested as ...it was not in the main room where the ropes were found and it was quite far away from the bedroom where the ropes were tied
* The red stain in the shower was decided as unrelated to events
* the large clump of hair found on the shower wall in the master was a handful, of long dark hair and it was never collected OR tested - or thought significant (as there was a hairbrush in the shower)
* The hair clump was decided as unrelated to events
* The fact that there was no other DNA found at the scene was significant in deciding it was a suicide.
* everyone involved in the investigation, decided it was a suicide, not her alone, and no one thought otherwise in the whole investigation ( Mr G asked did they have a vote ( sarcastically) ...she said no everyone just agreed
* They focused the primary search and investigation on the bedroom where the ropes were found tied to the bed
* No expert analysis of balcony foot prints was thought necessary or was completed
* No expert analysis of the door painting was investigated or requested
* A Video was made of model tying ropes in same fashion as RZ - detective admitted the model had to practice over six or seven times to try and get them to match
* No expert analysis sought or investigated into the knots as one of the detectives seemed able to copy them so this was enough to decide no expertise was needed
* The ropes were loose on her wrists which was clearly indicative of her tying herself up
* RZ significant weight loss was indicative of depression and stress and contributed to the suicide decision - however her sisters report of this was actually 7 month earlier, and Mr Greers evidence showed she was 100 lbs at death and 105 lbs at the time of the report...no weight loss.
* The autopsy also said she was well nourished, but not considered.
* The detective did not ascertain RZ prior weight loss or investigate further, took it only at face value. Admitted there was no apparent weight loss
* Admitted RZ molestation as a child was contributory factor in suicide ruling, but failed to investigate any circumstances or if it was true. Ignored deposition of other sister where it was stated it had no effect on RZ and only happened once
* Failed to seek copy of voice message that was deleted around time of RZ death until it was too late ( approx 30 days after collection of the phone) had no explanation, only it was too late by the time it was requested
* Failed to fingerprint the phone ( as the print powder would make it dirty and she wanted to look at it manually (there was a gasp from the gallery when she said that)
* When Mr G said how does she know it was RZ who deleted and listened to the last voice message, and not someone who had incapacitated her?
* she said because ...
* ...It was RZs phone
* ...She was in the house alone
* Mr G said - How did she know she was alone?
* Because ADAM TOLD HER
* As her voicemail was accessed they know she was still alive at 12.50
* A rape kit was used and tested on RZ and no semen was found
* She was unaware of the position of the prints on the knife blades indicating the holding position behind back
* Did not seek out or test any tape that could have put residue on RZs legs. Assumed it was sports tape.
* Could not explain why the balcony door, when tested with fingerprint powder, had a huge, dry clean patch/area at the handle, surrounding the handle and door jamb)
* (OMG the photo was quite unbelievable...IMO you could see where someone had actually wiped down the door)
* Admitted to updating JS on ongoing investigation around seven or eight times. When challenged - modified to say only to question him if I needed some info
Appeared very sensitive when asked about protocols and why was she updating a family member with case Info, denied this was the case.
* AS was a person of interest initially
* AS gave sample DNA and fingerprints etc when asked, no objection
All this is just my opinion and interpretation of the day, I hope it is interesting for you guys....Im paraphrasing somewhat to try and give a general idea and I cant do shorthand, but this is the best of my recollection. Im sure I missed quite a bit, if I recall I will post it...
Best to all
EDIT
Reason / meaning behind message on the door thought to be this -
She saved him = RZ saved Max with CPR
Can you save her = Can God save RZ soul after suicide
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Lezah, thank you! I'm so glad that Mr. Greer was able to rip apart the detective on the stand. I'm so looking forward to my boss doing that in our current case! It's nearly as horrific of an investigation as Becky's.
I don't want SDSO to reopen the case because they clearly failed already. I want someone ELSE to come in and take over. I want that outside agency to reopen the case and get to the bottom of this. That's the only way justice will be served.
I don't want SDSO to reopen the case because they clearly failed already. I want someone ELSE to come in and take over. I want that outside agency to reopen the case and get to the bottom of this. That's the only way justice will be served.
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Lezah what a wonderful recount from the day. It is all beyond shocking and confirms so many items that all of us have been questioning for 7 years. Frankly the most egregious for me was that they were in continuous contact with JS throughout the investigation and not the family. It proves the confirmation bias to find suicide. Gore’s mantra was so strong in that DNA doesn’t lie or something to that effect. Well he is right - SDSO just looked at that fact in reverse to reality. We are really talking about corruption in that department and another agency needs to take over a real investigation and dig in to the bigger picture of who all is responsible for murdering Rebecca.
Are you KIDDING me? Of COURSE it is interesting. Totally captivating!!!! I am sooooo glad you were in the courtroom today. I posted a link above to an interview with writer in the courtroom & she said Greer's cross was possible the most dramatic thing of the whole week, that his disassembled their case for suicide piece by piece, but she only went on to describe mostly the "no DNA" questions. She did mention a gasp in the courtroom, now I see why!
I was thinking how sad you weren't there & then I saw this post. Sooooo gratified to see the longer list of how he just ripped them apart. My goodness, WHAT a note to end the week on and for the jurors to take away as they head into their three day weekend!!!! And, then they get to start on Monday with the key witness, AS himself, called by prosecution? That is a win. Wow!
I'm ecstatic. This investigation was so terribly botched, so to be able to just finally lay it all out there piece by piece...man, that is a beautiful thing.
Thank goodness for Greer. He's given a lot of himself, and he's correct, it's just the right thing to do. This case is screaming for justice.I sure wish I could feel comfortable taking time off to go down there myself. At very least, I'm glad you've been there for some very critical days. It's the next best thing. Thank you, Lezah!!!!!
This kills me, btw. She literally just said that Rebecca could have touched the paint tube 60 + times without leaving fingerprints & she would think nothing of it, because some people don't deposit DNA or fingerprints. But, it's a suicide because there's no other DNA or fingerprints...you mean, that stuff that certain people don't deposit????? Stunning.
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Lezah, thank you! That is an amazing recounting of the day's events! I could feel the tension in the room from your words - and I was gasping right along with the jury. You took great notes! And you write beautifully. A+! Thanks to your boss, also, for letting you go.
Did you have a sense of how Adam is taking all of this? He is still such a mystery to me.
You're probably exhausted, though. Have a glass of something lovely, get some sleep, and tell me tomorrow, if you like.
Thanks for posting this before my bedtime. Now maybe I can sleep.
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Did you have a sense of how Adam is taking all of this? He is still such a mystery to me.
You're probably exhausted, though. Have a glass of something lovely, get some sleep, and tell me tomorrow, if you like.
Thanks for posting this before my bedtime. Now maybe I can sleep.
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Lezah, tomorrow could you let us know if JS has been in the courtroom along with Adam? I would imagine the 9 high-priced attorneys JS and/or AS insurance company hired are not looking too good to attorney JS. For once in 7 years JS is not running the show! After all, our civil, criminal and judicial system is not supposed to be slanted toward the party who has the most money or influence. Keith Greer you have a higher calling and will be richly rewarded by your morals and honor in what you have done.
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Lezah thank you so much. I'm just astounded at what went on in this case, the disgusting (IMO) biased media reporting on this lawsuit, and even to listen to a court reporter saying last week that it was possible Rebecca had hog-tied herself. I mean...speechless really.
It's great to have all this detail you've given us.
Time for a game. Can anyone SPOT THE DIFFERENCE in the portions of your post I have quoted.
PS you don't even need to be a LEAD DETECTIVE
PPS message me if you get stuck and I'll post a clue.
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LOL! Lezah, don’t you ever apologize for the length of your posts! Go ahead and write a book. (Hmmmmm....you’re a good enough writer, maybe you should.) I am so grateful for your gripping reports. Maybe Tricia could interview you whenever you’ve been in court.
Some of us remember WS member Katiecoolady reporting to us daily from the Jodi Arias trial. You are giving us the same gift. Thank you!
As to the cross examination, what great work by Mr Greer! The jury must be as dumbfounded as we are (and have been) about this non-investigation. I can’t wait to hear him demolish AS’s story.
Some of us remember WS member Katiecoolady reporting to us daily from the Jodi Arias trial. You are giving us the same gift. Thank you!
As to the cross examination, what great work by Mr Greer! The jury must be as dumbfounded as we are (and have been) about this non-investigation. I can’t wait to hear him demolish AS’s story.
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And some people it seems deposit fingerprints on knife blades but not on paint tubes. SMH.
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Lezah thank you so much. I'm just astounded at what went on in this case, the disgusting (IMO) biased media reporting on this lawsuit, and even to listen to a court reporter saying last week that it was possible Rebecca had hog-tied herself. I mean...speechless really.
It's great to have all this detail you've given us.
Time for a game. Can anyone SPOT THE DIFFERENCE in the portions of your post I have quoted.
PS you don't even need to be a LEAD DETECTIVE
PPS message me if you get stuck and I'll post a clue.
I’ll play...I think you’re showing that, according to the detective’s testimony, the message on the door indicates someone other than RZ wrote it. Someone who hadn’t heard the alleged message that Max was brain dead yet. If RZ had heard and deleted that message, she would never have painted “She saved him” meaning RZ saved Max by doing CPR (the detective’s interpretation). If I’m seeing this correctly, the contradiction is HUGE. Big mistake!
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You bet it's huge.
Either she thinks Rebecca listened to the message or she doesn't. Can't be both. And if she didn't listen to the message who did? Adam said no one else was there (sarcasm). If she did listen to the message she didn't paint the door.
BTW, I wonder if she asked Adam how he knew, because I'm sure I remember him saying he was asleep.
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:blushing: That was a seriously brilliant catch on your part, Tortoise! :great: I wouldnt have even noticed if you hadnt posted. I trust Mr Greer is equally brilliant. It would be a nice little slam dunk in his closing remarks!
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