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Just a thought. After listening to Jennifer [steve's daughter] on ABC this morning, that she knew for a long time her dad had 'issues' and also seeing josh's complacency about steve's comments concerning Susan; who knew what, when did they know it and why didn't they speak up? This should be a good lesson in not keeping dark secrets; people get hurt. If Susan, by some miracle, is being held captive, she could have been found sooner. At least, steve's predilections would have come to light sooner and we wouldn't have to wait 21 months for what we know now. josh, was daddy's secret so much more important than where your wife is?
 
Just a thought. After listening to Jennifer [steve's daughter] on ABC this morning, that she knew for a long time her dad had 'issues' and also seeing josh's complacency about steve's comments concerning Susan; who knew what, when did they know it and why didn't they speak up? This should be a good lesson in not keeping dark secrets; people get hurt. If Susan, by some miracle, is being held captive, she could have been found sooner. At least, steve's predilections would have come to light sooner and we wouldn't have to wait 21 months for what we know now. josh, was daddy's secret so much more important than where your wife is?

We don't know that she didn't speak up. He's not a POI and LE wants mostly yes or no, cold hard facts, not opinions or comments about *advertiser censored* addiction. Especially early on in an investigation.

She might also see his behavior and personality as the type that pushes on the line of propriety and morality but is legal. I'd be careful to give facts that didn't reflect my own prudish biases, too. I would maybe mention stacks and stacks of porny pubs, but knowing there's nothing illegal about them. I might suggest his hard drive might be interesting, but when they asked me why, I'd probably pull back quite a bit.

JMO
 
The article I saw where JG reacted to his arrest she said she knew he had issues with *advertiser censored*, and prostitutes and was anti government and something else. (I forget) But nothing that you would report to LE.

Yes they are in poor taste, but only the prostitute thing is illegal. And the prostitute thing isn't something that LE will set up a sting for.

I can't find that article, but here is one she mentions *advertiser censored*.


In an interview with FOX 13 on Friday, Jennifer Graves said that her father "had a *advertiser censored* problem" and was verbally abusive, leading her to distance herself from him for the protection of her children.
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/...reacts-to-his-arrest-20110923,0,1507133.story

So we don't know if she knew about the child *advertiser censored* or the peeping. We also don't know if she mentioned what she did know to LE. I think it is very possible she did. But unless she knew to tell them about the child *advertiser censored* and peeping I don't think the *advertiser censored* issue or even prostitutes would have come into it except as a note on him. For instance the ex girlfriend 'Sandy' did mention in media that he had a *advertiser censored* stash and no one seemed to notice except as another odditity.
 
pinkcuffs.jpg


I thought this was odd, but looking it up on the net I found this:

Pink handcuffs are some of our biggest sellers. Half of the people who come into our store make jokes about the pink handcuffs, but they are serious business. It started several years ago when Maricopa County in Arizona got a lot of publicity for switching to all pink handcuffs. Sheriff Joe Arpaio, "America's Toughest Sheriff," made the change to reduce losses of handcuffs. He also believes that the color pink has a calming effect. Prisoner underwear and bed sheets are also pink. Jails and prisons all over the country now use pink handcuffs. While police officers generally do not carry colored handcuffs, many female officers buy the pink handcuffs. I think we also get a lot of orders from people buying them as joke gifts.

FYI.

http://handcuffwarehouse.blogspot.com/2008/03/pink-handcuffs.html

ETA: Sorry, wrong thread.
 
The article I saw where JG reacted to his arrest she said she knew he had issues with *advertiser censored*, and prostitutes and was anti government and something else. (I forget) But nothing that you would report to LE.

Yes they are in poor taste, but only the prostitute thing is illegal. And the prostitute thing isn't something that LE will set up a sting for.

I can't find that article, but here is one she mentions *advertiser censored*.


In an interview with FOX 13 on Friday, Jennifer Graves said that her father "had a *advertiser censored* problem" and was verbally abusive, leading her to distance herself from him for the protection of her children.
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/...reacts-to-his-arrest-20110923,0,1507133.story

So we don't know if she knew about the child *advertiser censored* or the peeping. We also don't know if she mentioned what she did know to LE. I think it is very possible she did. But unless she knew to tell them about the child *advertiser censored* and peeping I don't think the *advertiser censored* issue or even prostitutes would have come into it except as a note on him. For instance the ex girlfriend 'Sandy' did mention in media that he had a *advertiser censored* stash and no one seemed to notice except as another odditity.

As you mention, there is also the report from Sandy, an ex of Steven Powell:

It was hearing of Steve’s plan to release Susan’s teenage journals online that prompted Sandy to break her silence and tell what the public has only assumed for the past year-and-a-half.

Read: Outrage over threats to publish missing Utah mom's private teenage journals.

“What he’s done, threatening to release Susan’s private thoughts and feelings as a kid, was the nail in the coffin for me,” Sandy said. “It’s time, the police need to do something, they need to act now and protect those children.

“It’s been long enough,” she said. “I originally called the police in January 2010, right after Susan disappeared, because I felt like I had vital information about the Powell family. They were contacted again in April 2010 and October 2010, and yet they never called me back until late July 2011.”

For about a decade Steve Powell told Sandy that he had been in love with and obsessed with Susan.

“Susan was the focal point of the songs he wrote and that are posted on the Steve Chantrey website. Those are but a few of the many more songs written about Susan,” Sandy said.

“He is pining for a love he never could have,” she said.

“Steve was very proud of his stash of *advertiser censored* magazines he kept in a locked cabinet in his bedroom. He showed them to me when he lived at his previous Puyallup home,” Sandy said.

Last fall Sandy said Steve boasted that he still had the pair of Susan’s very sacred Mormon Temple Garment underwear that he stole from the dirty laundry when she and Josh lived at his house at the beginning of their marriage.

“Not only did he stash her underwear in his locked bedroom cabinet, he said he stashed her pictures, journals, and *advertiser censored* in there too,” Sandy said.

“In fact,” she said, “when police went to search his house last fall they missed it – Steve told me they never even looked in his locked cabinet so he still has her private belongings, including her underwear.

“From the beginning of Josh and Susan’s marriage Steve expressed very explicit fantasies about her,” she said.

Sandy said Steve was “madly obsessed” with Susan through the time of her disappearance. Now, he’s obsessed with his theory that Susan ran off with a missing Utah man, Steven Koecher.



Continue reading on Examiner.com Finally – light shed on why Susan Cox Powell feared her father-in-law - National missing persons | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...ox-powell-feared-her-father-law#ixzz1YsqvT6fL
 
Did anyone catch the JVM show last night? JVM was talking with the attorney for Mr. Cox and someone called in asking about the skeletal remains discovered while searching (not the charred wood site)... the caller wanted to know if they were ever identified... I'll try to find a link... brb
 
We don't know that she didn't speak up. He's not a POI and LE wants mostly yes or no, cold hard facts, not opinions or comments about *advertiser censored* addiction. Especially early on in an investigation.

She might also see his behavior and personality as the type that pushes on the line of propriety and morality but is legal. I'd be careful to give facts that didn't reflect my own prudish biases, too. I would maybe mention stacks and stacks of porny pubs, but knowing there's nothing illegal about them. I might suggest his hard drive might be interesting, but when they asked me why, I'd probably pull back quite a bit.

JMO

Josh is definitely the one who didn't speak up. His comment to police in WVC that 'he was in way over his head' and then he lawyered up didn't help the investigation. In the context of a missing wife, any piece of info about strange behavior, i.e. an obsession with Susan that steve had towards her, would be helpful. *advertiser censored* mags are one thing but when steve is standing in his window videotaping and taking pictures of 8 year old girls taking a bath and using the toilet, when these pictures are zooming in on their genitals and there is video and pictures of him masturbating, there had to be some signs.

steve suggested that he and josh share Susan; josh, instead of speaking to police ran out like a scared little kid and ran back to daddy's house.

As for Jennifer, I am not calling her a prude. In a police investigation when your SIL is missing under suspicious circumstances telling about anything out of the ordinary, like steve's obsession with Susan and his creepy tendencies should be a topic on the table. Family 'secret' or not, anything is helpful. IMHO

Remember too, there are several other Powell siblings in that house. steve didn't collect thousands of pics overnight; it's hard to believe that there was no knowledge of his behavior.
 
CALLER: No. 1, I wanted to ask, did they get the DNA results from the skeleton they had found?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s not her body, my understanding, Ann Bremner. They thought they had found a body about 30 miles away from where Josh Powell, her husband, had gone camping very suspiciously, but it turned out -- what was the latest on that?

BREMNER: They had 11 days of searching, Jane, and they actually have further analysis to do. They had cadaver dogs in this search, and it was a search about 30 miles, of course, from where Steve had gone camping at midnight and had s`mores and stuff, as he said.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was it her?


BREMNER: And that`s still pending.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Was it her? They found remains. Were the remains...

BREMNER: They found remains -- the analysis is pending.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, OK.

BREMNER: It`s not clear...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I thought that I had read a report that it was sort of pointing away from being her. But you`re saying...

BREMNER: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... there`s still an open question about that. All right. Michelle Golland, very quickly, 20 seconds.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/23/ijvm.01.html
 
The article I saw where JG reacted to his arrest she said she knew he had issues with *advertiser censored*, and prostitutes and was anti government and something else. (I forget) But nothing that you would report to LE.

Yes they are in poor taste, but only the prostitute thing is illegal. And the prostitute thing isn't something that LE will set up a sting for.

I can't find that article, but here is one she mentions *advertiser censored*.


In an interview with FOX 13 on Friday, Jennifer Graves said that her father "had a *advertiser censored* problem" and was verbally abusive, leading her to distance herself from him for the protection of her children.
http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/...reacts-to-his-arrest-20110923,0,1507133.story

So we don't know if she knew about the child *advertiser censored* or the peeping. We also don't know if she mentioned what she did know to LE. I think it is very possible she did. But unless she knew to tell them about the child *advertiser censored* and peeping I don't think the *advertiser censored* issue or even prostitutes would have come into it except as a note on him. For instance the ex girlfriend 'Sandy' did mention in media that he had a *advertiser censored* stash and no one seemed to notice except as another odditity.

It has to be hard for her, with Susan missing, her brother a POI and her father in jail. I would imagine that 'Sandy', having been in a relationship w/steve, heard more about the garment he had locked away and the obsession. It just seems, that in the context of an investigation, *advertiser censored*->steve->obsession with Susan->garment kept, would raise a red flag. Perhaps the disconnect is with LE or there is so much evidnece that it took this long to parse it all.
 
In what world does a wife tell her husband that his father put his hands up her dress, and the husband says, "Oh, that's just how my daddy is, Honey." ???!!!

And then we hear that part of Susan's frustration in her marriage was the lack of intimacy? That JP wasn't interested in a physical relationship with her?

Something is screwy from start to finish in all this. REALLY screwy.
 
A textbook that I used in my classes is FAMILY VIOLENCE: Legal, Medical and Social Perspectives by Harvey Wallace, Pearson Publishing. It speaks to domestic and intimate violence from infant abuse to elder abuse and the fact that it's not just about hitting. I have the 5th edition, perhaps steve will be in the 8th edition as a case study.
 
We don't know that she didn't speak up. He's not a POI and LE wants mostly yes or no, cold hard facts, not opinions or comments about *advertiser censored* addiction. Especially early on in an investigation.

She might also see his behavior and personality as the type that pushes on the line of propriety and morality but is legal. I'd be careful to give facts that didn't reflect my own prudish biases, too. I would maybe mention stacks and stacks of porny pubs, but knowing there's nothing illegal about them. I might suggest his hard drive might be interesting, but when they asked me why, I'd probably pull back quite a bit.

JMO

I think she did speak up along with Kiirsi, Josh's mother, and everyone else who knew anything. They were told to keep it under their hat, and they did. I think they learned waaaay more from Jennifer and Susan's friends than they did Josh.
 
RSBM

BREMNER: They had 11 days of searching, Jane, and they actually have further analysis to do. They had cadaver dogs in this search, and it was a search about 30 miles, of course, from where Steve had gone camping at midnight and had s`mores and stuff, as he said.

Well, had Anne been hitting the sauce again with this error ....or does she know something we haven't heard yet????
 
I think she did speak up along with Kiirsi, Josh's mother, and everyone else who knew anything. They were told to keep it under their hat, and they did. I think they learned waaaay more from Jennifer and Susan's friends than they did Josh.

really interested in knowing more about/from josh's mother if any of you can clue me in...
 
really interested in knowing more about/from josh's mother if any of you can clue me in...

She has stayed out of the limelight on this whole case. What I do know is that she and SP had 5 kids together, and a divorce was initiated in 1992 in Spokane County, Washington. It did not complete until 2003! There were all kinds of motions and show cause and contempt hearings. Lots of declarations filed by the kids and others. SP pit the kids against the mother (except for Jennifer) and the mother moved to Utah and Jennifer went with her. My understanding is SP used the courts to break the mother emotionally and financially. I have heard that she lives with Jennifer and her family. SP is a truly wicked, evil, spiteful man. I don't blame her for keeping quiet. I bet she gets physically ill if she even hears his voice or catches a glimpse of him on tv.
 
She has stayed out of the limelight on this whole case. What I do know is that she and SP had 5 kids together, and a divorce was initiated in 1992 in Spokane County, Washington. It did not complete until 2003! There were all kinds of motions and show cause and contempt hearings. Lots of declarations filed by the kids and others. SP pit the kids against the mother (except for Jennifer) and the mother moved to Utah and Jennifer went with her. My understanding is SP used the courts to break the mother emotionally and financially. I have heard that she lives with Jennifer and her family. SP is a truly wicked, evil, spiteful man. I don't blame her for keeping quiet. I bet she gets physically ill if she even hears his voice or catches a glimpse of him on tv.

that speaks volumes
 
Care to add anything else about family dynamics; like steve is a pervert, now sitting in jail, charged with some really nasty stuff AND Susan's sons are safely out of that house?

Interested to hear your take on this. TIA



Steve seems to be a freakshow. Anyone who had a peek at his website could pretty easily determine he's quite the narcissist. It's more disguisting knowing his lyrics may specifically point to certain (underage) individuals- the doll song.

As far as Josh; from the info thus far- I just can't see him as the key player here in the disappearance of Susan. His father's erratic behavior only strengthens my belief that he had something to do with it.
 

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