100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

[Pensfan]

Pensfan, Thank you for your reply! Has Arias been diagnosed with any mental disorder? I thought that the juror question "did you ever seek help for your mental condition," and Arias' answer was interesting (Arias seemed stunned that anyone would ask her this question as if she presents herself so sane). I believe that she must fit the criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder. I do not understand why her thoughts of suicide would be important considering how common suicidal thoughts are. I think you are correct - Arias has never been serious about killing herself.

Originally Posted by Thurston
Suicidal thoughts are not uncommon - in fact most people will have suicidal thoughts in times of crisis (National Association for the Mentally Ill).

Arias thought about suicide - so what! Arias had no problem planning to murder and butchering Travis Alexander. If Arias wanted to kill herself - it seems as though she would be able to do so.

I do not believe that Arias is or ever has been suicidal - plus it seems as though it is not important considering suicidal thoughts are not uncommon, she did not kill herself, yet she did stab Travis almost 30 times, slit his throat, and shoot him in the head -- then she did her best to clean up her mess & get away with her crime.

Jodi would never admit that she had a mental health problem even if she was diagnosed. She's perfect. If you asked her, she'd tell you that too. Ugh!

 

[SunnyinMO]

There is one point where she give Juan that evil stare she has. jmo

But I didn't see her shaking like a Chihuahua either.....in fact she was back to her snarky self.......I think this was also a point JM was trying to prove.....she is going DOWN!!!

 

[Lorelilly]

Looks like a herpes simplex sore to me.

My thought exactly. Maybe her jail girlfriend is sporting one as well...

 

[SATA]

Poor Jodi has such a poor memory lease:, but I will help her out and answer a couple of questions for her.
She didn´t remember why she put the camera in the washing machine. I bet she put the camera in the washing machine because she wanted to destroy it by starting a wash - she just forgot.
She didn´t remember why she dragged Travis´ body to the shower. I bet she had in mind dismembering his body to get rid of it bit by bit, but I think she realized what a massive task that would be. Or/and she grossed out and fled the apartment, forgetting the wash and leaving the flat partly cleaned up.
This crime is GROSS GROSS GROSS - one of the worst I have learned about. Jodi is guilty as sin and deserves life without parole. (I hate the Death Penalty.)

 

[casesensitive]

I just listened to Travis sing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow". It broke my heart.
I feel a sense of peace now. Which is good, because my blood pressure has been spiking to new highs watching and listening to this evil woman.

I will always come back to his music. She is "nothing" to me, and doesn't even deserve my anger. She doesn't deserve one thread of my emotions. I will try to remember that.

 

[Boytwnmom]

times forcing them to listen to the excruciating details of her personal life since early girlhood and has now clearly lied to their faces with a smile. Not that they didn't already know she was a liar but to lie in response to questions posed by the jurors who determine your fate is a new level of stupid.

He's so smart. He not only proved that she lied, but that she lied while answering the jurors' questions. Now it's personal.

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I'm confused. We all knew she had two WAMU accts from the earlier deposits, didn't we?

yes! But she has maintained she bought a 3rd gas can, but returned it right away, like an hour later at Walmart Salinas, CA.

She has 2 gas receipts for the Tesoro in Utah heading home? Mr Martinez subpoena her bank statement, and it shows 3 gas purchases. The extra amount, is exactly the amount to fill a 5 gallon can at the price that station had it.

So she is lying about having 2 cans, she has 3. 15 min. before he shows her this she said "All i know is I went to MESA with TWO Cans!" all adamant..

well that's a lie, she filled up 3 in Utah going home.. Why lie Jodi? Her team looked horrified. You do not want to get caught hiding things like a can to put gas to be able to drive farther and commit murder.. All shows she is covering up so many things.. Big and little! Nurmi and Willmott were very upset.. look on their faces.. they didnt catch the purchase either.. just over looked it?

 

[KristiDFW]

Is anyone watching NG? What was the date that she mentioned that JM told Jodi about MM never betraying her? January? What year?

 

[Mormon Attorney]

What is the facial expression telling you?

For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Looks like a herpes simplex sore to me.

Called Herbie.....

 

[kscornfed]

As I have pointed out previously, the mysterious 3rd charge to Tosoro in SLC for $20 does NOT mean she purchased gasoline. Tosoro is like a 7-11 - where snacks, drinks, and convenient articles can also be purchased.
I assume JA will claim she bought food at Tosoro for around $20.

It won't make any difference to me. She lied about that gas can. And because she lied about the gas can, this purchase is logically for 5 gallons of gas. I think that's a very reasonable inference.

What are the chances, as meticulous as Walmart is, that this was the one transaction where a customer got no receipt with a return and was given cash?

 

[Nali87]

Is it fair to say everyone is now GLAD the jury had a bunch of questions!?
It gave Juan what he needed to PROVE premeditation.

 

[elementary]

Do you all think Jodi is terrified Juan's calling Matt ? LOL


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Good question! I have this image of JM, by his constant questioning about Matt implicitly intimidating her, theatening to smear her name and reputation through Matt, like she threatened to smear Travis if she didn't get her plea deal.

 

[seguek9]

But I didn't see her shaking like a Chihuahua either.....in fact she was back to her snarky self.......I think this was also a point JM was trying to prove.....she is going DOWN!!!

Going down like a....
Um....
:nevermind:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I hope MM is going to be called ... I'm enjoying watching JM taunt her with the possibility in the meantime

 

[TartLemon]

What does Matt know and how will it help Juan's case sice he has ho ability to call Matt for any testimony?

Maybe it's a psychological ploy to let Jodi know she's not ever going to be out of the woods considering the witness tampering and evidence forgery?

 

[JSR]

As I have pointed out previously, the mysterious 3rd charge to Tosoro in SLC for $20 does NOT mean she purchased gasoline. Tosoro is like a 7-11 - where snacks, drinks, and convenient articles can also be purchased.
I assume JA will claim she bought food at Tosoro for around $20.

JA can claim all she wants. THIS jury isn't going to buy it.

 

[justsharing]

IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!

Can her lawyer try and rehabilitate her again AFTER the new batch of jury questions or is he DONE DONE????? :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

I believe Juan is just giving us a taste of what his rebuttal is going to be like with these questions. The down side of the long break is she will have all that time to figure out fake purchases she made inside the Tesoro store that totals $19.??
I really don't think it will help her though, she's done. We know Juan still has the secret magazine messages and the TA shirt with the words on the back along with who knows what else.
I truly believe he's saving the best for the last and after hearing the juror questions I don't think he needs much.
She could of at least started fake shaking with Juan but no Jodi acts like a defiant lil snot. I think she's begging for the DP in her own special Jodi way.

 

[panthera]

Good evening! :seeya:

On NG:

"Would you have ever told the truth had you not been arrested?" (paraphrased)

"I don't know....."

THAT should seal her fate.

:furious:

 

[SunnyinMO]

I just listened to Travis sing "Somewhere Over The Rainbow". It broke my heart.
I feel a sense of peace now. Which is good, because my blood pressure has been spiking to new highs watching and listening to this evil woman.

I will always come back to his music. She is "nothing" to me, and doesn't even deserve my anger. She doesn't deserve one thread of my emotions. I will try to remember that.

Where did you listen to it? Really or just in your heart??