100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78

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Any type of education after high school requires at least a little hard work. Jodi has never worked hard except to scam others.

I agree. She thought she found her meal ticket with Travis. But I think at the end he started to recognize her for what she really is, and made it clear she would never get what she wanted in regards to their relationship and she just couldn't take it. If she couldn't have him, no one could.
 
What does Matt know and how will it help Juan's case sice he has ho ability to call Matt for any testimony?

Maybe it's a psychological ploy to let Jodi know she's not ever going to be out of the woods considering the witness tampering and evidence forgery?

:waitasec: Why wouldn't Juan have the ability to call Matt during his rebuttal case? He can subpoena anyone... well except God.

That back/forth video that DD just put up is PERFECT!!

She took Travis' story and wove it into her 2 ninjas story! Juan has to use something similar to this...it is so effective!

:rocker:

Since she testilied Angela was in an abusive relationship, IMO she took Angela's stories of abuse also.
 
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Ok I just called him! Nice man.. This one is open 24 hours and the Grocery store...hmm.. I should call all 7 (I think he sounds like he thinks i'm nuts, I should say, i'm on a case, this is important! lol)

:seeya:

Were they 24 hour in 2008 too? :)
 
I'd say highly unlikely. The blast of kinetic energy to his brain would have at least dazed and confused him.

The ME said the gunshot or slit throat would have rendered him unconscious immediately. In fact Dr. Horn said that there was a very good possibility that Travis was dead when shot in the head or close to death.

It not only entered his skull and landed in the left cheek... it penetrated his brain.
 
I guess I missed the reason for a side bar after JM had JA against the ropes by asking "Where did Travis say he got his gun" and she showed real stress while trying to fabricate a believable lie to the question. After the break the question was withdrawn...... huh?
 
dh (a former physician medical examiner) says a 22 or 25 cal. handgun are chosen assassination weapons for brain taps. The bullets bounce around in the brain instead of exiting. This causes massive damage.

BBM, respectfully and out of true curiosity; I'm not hip to the lingo.. what is a "brain tap" and how does a bullet bounce around in the brain?
TIA! :seeya:
 
They are right on point on somethings but very wrong about Juan and always seem to be criticizing him. That I dont like and strongly disagree with Mark and the body language expert.

They dont understand why Juan leaves certain things hanging. By now they should know he brings things back up when the timing is right.

He has won more cases than any of them could ever dream of winning. I doubt Mark has even had a death penalty case while Juan is known as one of Arizona's finest death penalty Prosecutors.

IMO

I hadn't noticed, but again, I don't normally watch so I may have missed some history of a lack of insight into what JM is doing. I myself have had my doubts, but as the days have progressed, had them assuaged. JM is very skilled. I see that now. He is not a sprinter but a marathoner. and a DP murder trial is a marathon.
 
Just a question on the gas cans, sorry you guys probably discussed this already. The thirs purchase was for more than 5 gallons of gas. Do you think she accidentally went over and spilled all over the place? IS it possible she bought 19.XX worth of food?

I just watched that part of testimony. It was 5.05 gallons of gas. However, the other 2 were not completely full because JA was yapping about "flamability".

If JM was quick enough to check the wal-mart records for the pretend refund of the gas can (of which there is no record), that leads me to believe the 5 gallons went into the 3rd gas can. Any overage could have gone into the first 2.

I also believe other WS's checked to see if there was a mini mart - but it wouldn't have been open at 4 AM (something to that effect).

That's just my speculation though.

Mel
 
ohhhhhhhhh Charlie on Dr Drew. Former Roommate. I think Charle and Travis parted ways and it was tension?
 
I've been watching JM's follow-up/cross examination. I have to "eat crow" over the times I have attempted to return items to Wal-Mart and cursed them (in my head) over the rigamarole it takes to do so. Now, I say "Thank you, Wal-Mart!"
 
Great point. Your extreme attachment disorder individuals and psychopaths often share the very same attributes, as well as many other comorbid issues. It is often hard to meaningfully sort them out. However, this case highlights these issues for me because of the similarities in kids and families that I work with.

I agree. It seems children and teens with reactive attachment disorder RAD are often sent away to so-called therapuetic boarding schools some of which have been closed due to abuse. See cafety.org
 
For her to say that she doesn't honestly know if she would tell the truth if she hadn't gotten arrested - means that she STILL to this day has NO REMORSE for killing Travis'

This is what is so galling about JA. Nowhere does she ever show a shred of humanity, even if it would BENEFIT her to do so. She's like a demented little chameleon getting swept up in hyper literal corrections, smoke and mirrors.

No acknowledgement about the life Travis Alexander should have had and WON'T because of her. A life with a wife and children and friends and life experience, et. all. A life that she took willingly with malice aforethought.

While this poor kid is murdered in the most abhorrent way possible and left to decompose in a shower, all she does is whine about how life has ****** her over. Did you hear that whinge about her cell being smaller than his closet?

She is proof that god makes mistakes sometimes.
 
A friend of Travis' on Dr Drew just said Travis would come home from dates and find Jodi in his closet.
 
An ex room mate of Travis and wife on DD now. Wife tells that Jodi would hide in Travis' closet when he was out on a date and Travis would find her there when he came home!
 
For all the kids I work with, there is a high need for control, no empathy, no conscience. It is a sliding scale - some have serious issues, some are more mild. The nonsense lying is constant. It is a sign that they feel the need to control - like their life literally depends on it. For days, I have seen her have the flat affect and the blank eyes. Sometimes, when she says "I don't remember," I almost see her as dissociating. It is odd. You think about how many times she has said "I don't know" about her own reasons and her own feelings. Often, with my kids, that is the way it is. They literally cannot connect to their feelings enough to know why they did what they did. So much of it is truly reactive. That does not mean there is not planning. They are highly susceptible to tremendous rage and anger at the feeling of abandonment or loss of control - even perceived abandonment or loss of control. They have a very fake exterior. I call it the "china doll." It is the smiley, happy, totally in control face you see when she does all the interviews. It is so skilled it is uncanny. It is totally a survival mechanism that they have learned very early on. Out of all kids, these kids are the most socially adept and good at being believed. Even when flat out lying.

But, today has been different. I have to say it has hit me very hard personally. I got into this field because I adopted a child who has had extreme attachment issues. Due to years of helping my child, I have come to see first hand how hard it is to raise a child with these traits of no empathy and no conscience. Like someone posted the other day, you go round and round with the lies - the endless nonsense lies - even the control on little things like the mayonnaise and mustard. The blank eyes and china doll face. You always hope you can make a difference but daily you face issues like JM has on the stand. But, then there is a point. If you can hang in there and be lovingly therapeutic and outlast the chaos, there is a point that you can get to with these children that the total look of all their bottled up shame comes up. They let down their guard for a few moments and you can see the darkness, anger, rage, and pain they carry. Almost a look of defeat.

I saw that look in Jodi today and, for me as a mom, it was the weirdest feeling. I honestly felt love. I recognized that look as the point on the children I work with when they give up the baloney and know they cannot continue - that the act and fake stuff isn't working. At that point, I know as a mom I can help. Of course, in our home and many others, it is little things like mayonnaise or mustard or lying about who hurt the family dog, not murder. But, at the end of the day, all of my families are working to help our kids get conscience and empathy so that things like this don't happen.

With my child, I wait for that look of defeat, of resignation, to know that my child is willing to trust me to help. So many times, I have had to wait patiently, through lots of stuff, to get to that point. But, the moment my child gives up the act, I know I can help. Often, those are some of our most tender moments. It takes so much for a child who has been significantly hurt (such that he or she forms no attachments) to trust with true emotion. When they will trust you, you have a chance to teach them another way. It is incredibly hard because that has been their sole survival.

Today, when I saw the deflated look, I knew JA knew the jury wasn't buying it. She can tell her way hasn't worked. The shame - not of killing TA - but of how defective and different she is from everyone else has hit her. She knows she is different, fundamentally flawed, but, if she can keep up the act and others will believe the act, she feels on top of the world. When that starts to crack, it is a tremendous fall. For a younger child, it is a point of help. For JA, it is a point of realizing it has not worked.

Sharing alot here. But, I work with families all over the world who have adopted kids with the same issues. I go to court with them to get help. I hold their hands when their child beats them up. I help them deal with the no conscience or empathy. I help protect them when their children physically harm them. I love those families because they do the hardest job in the world. JA has highlighted why we do what we do.

When I saw her deflated look, I knew she knew it was over. Today, instead of dark eyes and the smile, I could see the dark eyes and fallen countenance. I saw the "child" that was stunted many many years ago. While she tries to come across as intelligent and is very sophisticated at the act, she seems to me to be emotionally stunted at a 12 year old level. Today, in her countenance, I could see "behind the curtain" of the wizard of Oz. The grand act came crashing down.

I am not saying she will not try to regain the image. And, I am definitely not saying she will not lie. She has to lie to feel any control at all. She almost can't help it, even on stupid things.

But, today, I could see and so recognized the look. I have seen it many times before. The moment she realized it was done. That the act hadn't worked and that people could see through the fake exterior. For her, that was crushing.


Please don't bash here. It took a lot to share this. Please know that, if you have read the posts, I am huge on accountability for JA. I feel very strongly that she must be held accountable for what she did. When I describe the love and empathy I felt, it surprised even me. It is not a reflection of what I think needs to happen, but a reflection of all the young children I love that show so many traits of JA - lacking conscience, no empathy, rage, violence, non sense lying, no close attachments. Daily, I work with families that fight the good fight, with such small progress, never knowing if their patience and therapeutic parenting will make any dent in the symptoms or not. JA represents the worst outcome for us. Each day, we hope that we can help turn that around for the kids we love so much. When you talk about the mom laughing in the court room, I bet I could speak volumes as to what she has lived with. I don't know her and won't speculate, but if she is anything like the parents I work with, her emotions seem odd because parenting JA was nothing like parenting a typical child. While totally inappropriate in some of her actions, her mother heart forces her to be there until the end, even as her child testifies she is an abuser and they are not close. I bet that mom would have loved the experience of knowing her child really loved her, even once. Just a guess, but sometimes people laugh so they don't cry.

Thanks for letting me share. I hope this is understood the way it was intended. If not, let me clear it up before you jump on me - grin!

Amazing post. Thank you.
 
Marah, your post didnt quote for some reason.

But she put 5.09 in the can so that isnt overfilling it much. Anymore than it is when someone packs their gas tank and it doesnt overflow.

IMO
 
Many mental health disorders share some symptoms. This is true for Reactive Attachment Disorder and ASPD. Unless it is known that Jodi was grossly neglected/needs not met/ never bonded with her mom or dad/or was allowed to suffer from a painful physical condition as an infant, it shouldn't be assumed that Jodi's behavior is from RAD. IMO, she's just a psychopath and has always been one.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse
mother of adopted child that was only 14 lbs at one year of age (had a birth weight of 7 lbs)
And I truely believe that JA is a psychopath!
 
Or Travis house up in smoke along with the evidence?
Oopsy tho she forgot about his dog Napolean.. hey but she sure did remember to put the gate up on the stairs Before she attacked Travis!
(wish Juan somehow could tighten that noose)

Been wondering.. did Naps scratch and/or bite at her alleged other injuries, legs/ankles and feet? :waitasec:

That's what I was thinking about considering those injuries on feet and ankles. My pugs would go directly there if any one so much as attempted to wrestle with me for fun!
But wasn't it just yesterday or possibly last week - who knows with all the super slow KN re-directs - that she only had the ONE injury as result of her murderous rage.... er, self-defense?

Suddenly it's feet ankles head and SHOULDER! Well I dropped my jaw on that one! You attack a man with a knife in the head and back and cut his throat then drag him and lift him into a shower you are going to injure one or both shoulders!!!
 
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