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african american
Duh. Wait a sec while I turn on my brain. All I could think of at the moment was Alcoholics Anonymous.:blushing:
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And it has to be malicious, repeated, and willful, per the stalking statute...
Supported by evidence?
He says he was beaten up and his head was repeatedly smashed on the sidewalk. The video evidence certainly doesn't seem to substantiate this. The body's position doesn't seem to support this.
He says he was the one yelling for help. Two voice experts say that it was NOT him.
Supported by evidence?
He says he was beaten up and his head was repeatedly smashed on the sidewalk. The video evidence certainly doesn't seem to substantiate this. The body's position doesn't seem to support this.
He says he was the one yelling for help. Two voice experts say that it was NOT him.
Originally Posted by Reader
I wanted to bring this over from the last thread and respond:
I realize that the evidence will be under 'discovery' rules once a trial begins (hopefully), but that is not what I meant.
The girl was traumatized by what happened and what she heard. Her parents want to keep her anonymous for as long as possible but have allowed this much to come out.
Maybe she didn't hear anymore and maybe she heard it all until Trayvon was killed. Why should that information be given out PUBLICLY now when we don't even know if there will be a trial or not, and expose the girl to further stress? If she testifies at a trial there will be plenty of opportunity then to discuss it.
FROM SONGLINE
According to her account, the phone did go dead,
NO I would not believe if later, she supposedly heard the
entire thing to the end.
Her parents should keep her anonymous,
I am not so sure about anything at all,
and she does not need people calling,
paying her to say it like this or like that.
PEOPLE WOULD do that. Best she be hidden.
AS IT IS:
being that her story came out after she learned that TM is dead,
makes me question.
Supported by evidence?
He says he was beaten up and his head was repeatedly smashed on the sidewalk. The video evidence certainly doesn't seem to substantiate this. The body's position doesn't seem to support this.
He says he was the one yelling for help. Two voice experts say that it was NOT him.
LC I am jumping off our post, not replying to it.
IMHO talk about Mr. Martins account of his sons last walk was given to him by police.
SO...all of you are having a crazy conversation IMHO.
It is hard enough for Mr. Martin to go there.
He may have memorized it all word for word as the account was given,
he may have also forgotten somethings and is translating it based on how he is putting the piece together.
HOW DOES IT MATTER WHAT HE SAYS about TMs last walk?
He is hurt, and his account is not the account that will be heard at a trial.
WHY are we dissecting his account of it all? At the worst he can be a touch off.
Can someone explain WHY - is there any merit to it. Maybe I am missing something.
I was watching HLN earlier and a commentator (legal analyst?) said that voice recognition has been used in trials but the method has very strict guidelines.
She said they would need at least 10 words to do it and she only hears 3. Help, please, no.
She also said it would need to be the same type of voice. Meaning they would not be able to use the talking voice to compare it to the screaming voice.
I don't know her name but I remember her from Caylee's case.
I'll try to see if I can find more on it.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece
~In 2004, Engle Homes began construction on 263 two-story townhouses, with upstairs porches and covered back patios and plenty of green space.~
~By the time Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, 40 properties inside the gate were empty and more than half of the residents were renters~
~Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area, and had visited his dad's girlfriend at the Retreat several times before. The kids in the neighborhood always looked forward to playing football with him. But to George Zimmerman, he was a stranger.~
RBBM - I don't understand the comment about TM did not live there? He was an invited guest of his father's fiancee.
With that many condos in the complex, I don't find it strange that GZ may not have seen TM on any of his prior visits or know every single person, who lived or was staying in one of the units.
The article also has some comments from a witness's mom and a few other residents.
Trayvon was 17, and was in town from Miami where he and his father were both from. He lived in Miami Gardens, a growing South Florida suburb, with his mom, Sybrina Fulton."Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area,
What does AA stand for in your context?
TIA
BBM
I see what you did there, but he did not get convicted of anything. Florida does not expunge convictions, only charges. If he had a felony conviction in Florida, he would not have been able to get it expunged and therefore would not be able to purchase a firearm or have a concealed carry permit.
He was not convicted. All of the evidence points to him not having been convicted. Where's the evidence that says he was?
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Since we do not know who fell first to the ground, and how they rolled and twisted to get a hold of the gun.
WE CAN NOT SAY that the video does not substantiate.
BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW.
I was watching HLN earlier and a commentator (legal analyst?) said that voice recognition has been used in trials but the method has very strict guidelines.
She said they would need at least 10 words to do it and she only hears 3. Help, please, no.
She also said it would need to be the same type of voice. Meaning they would not be able to use the talking voice to compare it to the screaming voice.
I don't know her name but I remember her from Caylee's case.
I'll try to see if I can find more on it.
I was watching HLN earlier and a commentator (legal analyst?) said that voice recognition has been used in trials but the method has very strict guidelines.
She said they would need at least 10 words to do it and she only hears 3. Help, please, no.
She also said it would need to be the same type of voice. Meaning they would not be able to use the talking voice to compare it to the screaming voice.
I don't know her name but I remember her from Caylee's case.
I'll try to see if I can find more on it.
Of course talking is much different than screams. If they had Trayvon's voice on tape what percentage would they get? He might have not scored any better and what would they claim then?Did a rewind on my DVR
It was Beth Karas.
Said methodology would be tested in court.
Standards that would have to be followed (from American Board of Recorded Evidence)
Their guidelines:
-you need at least 10 different words to rule someone out or 20 to positively ID somebody.
She hears 3.
-person would need to be talking in the same general manner.
Talking on GZ's 911 tapes much different than the screams.
There are a lot of factors.
She thinks this may not be admissible in court because the guidelines are not met.
Typed as I heard it.
Maybe the family has his voice recorded someway.. maybe on his Cell, his VM.. a BD song who knoes.
I think you know very well what I meant, and are making excuses. Didn't Trayvon also go hundreds of miles away from his friends and girlfriend when he went to visit his dad? Was that too, punishment???
My question still stands.