17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #28

[redkatrampant]

Wow, just wow, I'm sorry but you're going to need to point out where anyone even remotely suggested that the defendant should be silenced because what they say might be upsetting. Or that the justice sysetm should work any other way.

Please don't misconstrue what I posted as I never even remotely implied any of that.

I said that to say that the family could have just left if they didn't want to hear it is absurd, there was no time for them to leave as they didn't know what he was going to say. And to say that if a victim's family doesn't want to be upset they could just stay away is absurd as well, that's saying that the victim's family never has a right to be upset over things said in the courtroom.

We can all probably link to thousands of posts right here where posters have been upset by what suspects say at trial, seems the rules apparently are different for this suspect, we should all just ignore whatever he says, and just cheer for his right to say it.

Moving on now.

JMHO

One of US s going through this right now,Although IIRC, most of the family has been sequestered because they are witnesses.However, If I may, I am pretty sure she has been upset by things said,etc.She knew this going in,we can say that the Martin family did not, BUT,I am of the opinion that they had been counseled as to some extent of being upset by testimony.

 

[Peliman]

I listen to all the responses and wonder to myself, you're going to need 12 people on a jury to agree to the verdict.

What if the defense said they only want the jury to decide on second degree? Do you think 12 people will agree in the jury room?

I'm not saying he's innocent of some charge, I'm just saying there maybe a question as to what degree. 2nd, manslaughter, self defense. BTW: I think SYG will be ruled out as a defense. Just saying and IMO

 

[badme102]

There wasn't enough time for Trayvon to run around the truck three times from the time that GZ says he's coming over to check him out and then that he's moving on. That's just silly.

I never thought I would say this but I am actually embarrassed for him. How ridiculous!
To even consider this farce defies any kind of logic.

 

[octobermoon]

Why is the testimony of the detective saying his injuries were consistent with GZ's head hitting a hard object being ignored. He confirmed he had lacerations on there, 2 in fact.

Is it now that the detective and the police report (bleeding in back of the head) are both lying?

No, I think the pic is faked. But I could be wrong. Can't quite put my finger on it, but it looks ???? hinky.

I did not accuse the police or detectives of any wrong doing. I do wonder if GZ's often calls to them is a factor.

IMO JMO MOO

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Why is the testimony of the detective saying his injuries were consistent with GZ's head hitting a hard object being ignored. He confirmed he had lacerations on there, 2 in fact.

Is it now that the detective and the police report (bleeding in back of the head) are both lying?

I don't ignore it because I heard what he said at first. The injuries were not consistent with having his head slammed repeatedly on cement. I think we will find out those were tiny cuts and they have seen plenty of heads slammed repeatedly on concrete.

 

[Adrienne37]

GZ ambushed the parents same as he ambushed TM. Too bad he will most likely walk free!

Have faith Isabelle. The state has a lot of evidence that they were trying to sidestep today without revealing. They have all the contradictions in Zimmerman's stories for one and they said that the evidence didn't match any of the stories that had presented.

Justice for Trayvon is coming.

~jmo~

 

[seattlechiquita]

After such a display of elegance and heart felt apology.... I will now proceed to apologize to all my exboyfriends for... wait. That was more than 20 years ago -- do you think it would be considered a bit fake maybe? :floorlaugh:

 

[LyndyLoo]

If I thought it would make a difference I would. But I would just be one ( 3 actually) less Disney Annual Passholder. A drop in the bucket. As for moving there, I would be just 2 less taxpayers. No biggie.*sigh*

Well..I would be one of those tourists that would/will stay way far away from that State..and its sad..because I have a few American friends that live there, and having in the past had family spend their winters there..so hey..again like you..individually we are a drop in the bucket..but collectively it hits their economy as Florida sure does rely on tourism as does the businesses that operate there :rocker:

 

[katydid23]

No, I think the pic is faked. But I could be wrong. Can't quite put my finger on it, but it looks ???? hinky.

I did not accuse the police or detectives of any wrong doing. I do wonder if GZ's often calls to them is a factor.

IMO JMO MOO

But how does a person fake a picture like that while in custody?

 

[uvamerica]

I don't ignore it because I heard what he said at first. The injuries were not consistent with having his head slammed repeatedly on cement. I think we will find out those were tiny cuts and they have seen plenty of heads slammed repeatedly on concrete.

Exactly !! his head was not smashed into a bloody pulp! if anything he may have 2 very small cuts or scratches there. :moo:

 

[cityslick]

I don't ignore it because I heard what he said at first. The injuries were not consistent with having his head slammed repeatedly on cement. I think we will find out those were tiny cuts and they have seen plenty of heads slammed repeatedly on concrete.

It was consistent with it being hit with a hard object.

MOM asked him if one of those hard objects would be concrete.

The detective said yes that's possible.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Finally caught up!!

The picture:

1) Why was some random person allowed inside a crimescene to take a picture of George's head? Since when are random people allowed to go up to people who are suspects in a crime and get close enough to take a picture... like right up on him and take a picture?

2) I thought SPD held George by gunpoint until they could handcuff him, but he is not handcuffed in this picture? You can see the cell phone in his hand?

3) Was this picture taken before LE arrived?? Who took it??

So weird??

Also, I could care less about George's injuries! Never cared before. Don't care now!

 

[cityslick]

Exactly !! his head was not smashed into a bloody pulp! if anything he may have 2 very small cuts or scratches there. :moo:

Ah, but now we go back to fear. Remember, SYG is not that you must sustain life threatening injuries, it's that you must have a fear that you will.

 

[katydid23]

Have faith Isabelle. The state has a lot of evidence that they were trying to sidestep today without revealing. They have all the contradictions in Zimmerman's stories for one and they said that the evidence didn't match any of the stories that had presented.

Justice for Trayvon is coming.

~jmo~

According to what Mark Nejame and Mark Eiglarsh said today on HLN, the state is locked into some of what they said today. According to them, the state has admitted NOT HAVING any evidence that GZ was the first one to get physical in the fight, nor did they have ANY EVIDENCE that GZ was following TM around the complex.

The state cannot have any evidence they are hiding for use later when asked directly on the stand by the defense.

 

[cityslick]

Finally caught up!!

The picture:

1) Why was some random person allowed inside a crimescene to take a picture of George's head? Since when are random people allowed to go up to people who are suspects in a crime and get close enough to take a picture... like right up on him and take a picture?

2) I thought SPD held George by gunpoint until they could handcuff him, but he is not handcuffed in this picture? You can see the cell phone in his hand?

3) Was this picture taken before LE arrived?? Who took it??

So weird??

Also, I could care less about George's injuries! Never cared before. Don't care now!

I think you should care about his injuries and the extent (or lack thereof) of them because that's what's going to sway a jury in this case IMO.

 

[AngelWings444]

When has ANY defendant gotten on the stand at a bond hearing and "apologized" to a family for killing their child??? Then, GZ can't remember which officer, detective, he "felt sorry for them losing their child."

I have a bridge...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It was consistent with it being hit with a hard object.

MOM asked him if one of those hard objects would be concrete.

The detective said yes that's possible.

You could get tiny cuts from wrestling on cement. MOM did not ask him if it was consistent with having your head slammed repeatedly on concrete.

 

[tpgks]

I don't ignore it because I heard what he said at first. The injuries were not consistent with having his head slammed repeatedly on cement. I think we will find out those were tiny cuts and they have seen plenty of heads slammed repeatedly on concrete.

Exactly !! his head was not smashed into a bloody pulp! if anything he may have 2 very small cuts or scratches there. :moo:

How many times does ones head need to be knocked into concrete before you respond with deadly force? The photos prove that Martin was committing a felonious assault against Zimmerman. Unless you believe that the witnesses, the police, the videotape, and this new photo is all fabricated. The felonious assault rises to a level where SYG is applicable.

MOO

 

[cityslick]

According to what Mark Nejame and Mark Eiglarsh said today on HLN, the state is locked into some of what they said today. According to them, the state has admitted NOT HAVING any evidence that GZ was the first one to get physical in the fight, nor did they have ANY EVIDENCE that GZ was following TM around the complex.

The state cannot have any evidence they are hiding for use later when asked directly on the stand by the defense.

The counter point to that though is the investigation (at least I would hope) is still on going and that may turn up. I do agree that them saying they have no evidence of him following TM when the affidavit states that he pursued TM is odd.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think you should care about his injuries and the extent (or lack thereof) of them because that's what's going to sway a jury in this case IMO.

The degree of the injury will be very important.