17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #29

[LolaMoon08]

Because if medical reports contradict what they 'believe', that's some seriously poor investigating and perhaps grounds to get the whole thing thrown out.

Hypothetical, if a medical report says that GZ suffered injuries that could have caused him great harm, that would be horrible for the SPD to not follow up on that, see how that matches what they got.

Listen to what the family and friends of George have stated and the words of Police Chief Bill Lee -- George's story alone doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. He has lied about things. Obviously. When you have someone who is willing to lie -- that shows he has something to hide and I am sure they have their own forensic evidence, including Trayvon's autopsy, George and Trayvon's clothes, to have reasonable reason to charge him.

I was even shocked that they charged him with 2nd degree murder, but they have to know something we don't know to have charged him with anything above manslaughter.

 

[CathyinTexas]

He has made this incredibly easy.

Does the judge have to say that if a juror believes that a witness lied about one thing then they can disregard all testimony from that witness? If so, then this should be easy, because it will become evident that one of the stories GZ told must be a lie so they can disregard all his stories, I hope. moo

 

[cityslick]

Listen to what the family and friends of George have stated and the words of Police Chief Bill Lee -- George's story alone doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. He has lied about things. Obviously. When you have someone who is willing to lie -- that shows he has something to hide and I am sure they have their own forensic evidence, including Trayvon's autopsy, George and Trayvon's clothes, to have reasonable reason to charge him.

I was even shocked that they charged him with 2nd degree murder, but they have to know something we don't know to have charged him with anything above manslaughter.

Well, AC does have a history of overcharging. Just saying...

 

[HiHater]

I don't think first responders carry around MRI or x-ray machines. JMO

You don't need an x-ray or an MRI to diagnose a broken nose. You don't have to be in a hospital setting to determine whether or not a wound would require stitches.

The state has said GZ's INJURIES are not consistent with other evidence. Somehow, they know about the injuries in order to make that statement.

 

[m00c0w]

I think it's very possible that the police believe they've caught Zimmerman in conflicting stories when they really had not. Police investigators like to play "gotcha" games a lot and tend to get wrapped up in it, when a jury might not be as easily convinced. It all depends on what was said, which we don't know.

 

[HiHater]

Well, AC does have a history of overcharging. Just saying...

Can you provide a link to this history? tia

 

[LolaMoon08]

He was treated at the scene. But many here have been very vocal about how if he had any head injury at all, anything he said would not be held up and that the police would have forced him to go to the hospital against his will.

Now that there's evidence he did have a head injury, that tune is changing. Curiouser and curiouser.

?? You have me confused?? You said he asked for medical care and he didn't get it? Me personally, I could care less about any injury on George, I never have as I believe Trayvon was defending himself.

I never thought his statements should be thrown out -- I knew he would try to get them thrown out as they make no sense at all -- but that has nothing to do with what I have always thought about his injuries? I wished he was knocked unconscious personally?

MOO

 

[impatientredhead]

I took that comment as if this trial goes forward it will be refreshing to see someone like MOM who has an excellent reputation defend GZ. He certainly is very professional and GZ is fortunate to have him. jmo

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...non-burke-deadly-weapon-and-animal-burke-dove


this is one of his clients, already out and working on the air, shared custody and a new girlfriend

 

[m00c0w]

You don't need an x-ray or an MRI to diagnose a broken nose. You don't have to be in a hospital setting to determine whether or not a wound would require stitches.

The state has said GZ's INJURIES are not consistent with other evidence. Somehow, they know about the injuries in order to make that statement.

The state has said a lot of things in that affidavit that aren't holding up to scrutiny. The sad thing is, no one will be held responsible on that end if it turns out the affidavit has falsities in it. The buck will just be passed to the other investigator ("I thought he typed it and I have no reason to not believe him!") and immunity passed all around.

 

[CathyinTexas]

Better yet, what blood did they find on Trayvon's hands? Zimmerman said he had a split lip so his blood better be on Trayvon's palm since he said Trayvon put his hand over his mouth.

I hope the ME did a better job of recognizing and preserving evidence on Trayvon than the police did at the scene. We have heard from experts on msm that it is common protocol to bag the victims AND the perp's hands immediately and we saw from the police video they did not bag GZ's hands. Someone on WS said that the autopsy didn't show Trayvon had injuries other than the gunshot. I thought the autopsy hasn't been revealed at all, and only the prosecution has seen it. Which is correct?

 

[LolaMoon08]

The state never talked to GZ before charging him. Obviously, it wasn't necessary based on other info/evidence they obtained.

Do we know if they tried to talk to him and he refused? I know those two-former-maybe-lawyers of GZ stated he tried to contact the SA himself -- but we don't know if prior to that they tried to talk with him and he refused??

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Please, help me out with this. I asked before, but I think a lot of people don't see my posts (lol). Can someone please provide the source for this description that is being accepted by posters as fact --> That TM "ran around" or "circled around" GZ's truck, not just once but "three times?"

I have searched MSM; nothing. Searched Google and it only redirects me to WS. A source would be greatly appreciated. TIA

It was in the hearing yesterday. The SA said it was in Zimmerman's statement.

 

[m00c0w]

?? You have me confused?? You said he asked for medical care and he didn't get it? Me personally, I could care less about any injury on George, I never have as I believe Trayvon was defending himself.

I never thought his statements should be thrown out -- I knew he would try to get them thrown out as they make no sense at all -- but that has nothing to do with what I have always thought about his injuries? I wished he was knocked unconscious personally?

MOO

IIRC, one of his initial lawyers said he requested medical treatment (as in, go to a hospital medical treatment) that night and it was declined by police. Yes, he was treated on scene. That doesn't mean much if you have a broken nose and possible concussion or other head injury and you're just cleaned up a little and sent on your merry way.

 

[m00c0w]

I hope the ME did a better job of recognizing and preserving evidence on Trayvon than the police did at the scene. We have heard from experts on msm that it is common protocol to bag the victims AND the perp's hands immediately and we saw from the police video they did not bag GZ's hands. Someone on WS said that the autopsy didn't show Trayvon had injuries other than the gunshot. I thought the autopsy hasn't been revealed at all, and only the prosecution has seen it. Which is correct?

That was the funeral director that claimed there were no injuries other than the gunshot.

 

[Donjeta]

I hope the ME did a better job of recognizing and preserving evidence on Trayvon than the police did at the scene. We have heard from experts on msm that it is common protocol to bag the victims AND the perp's hands immediately and we saw from the police video they did not bag GZ's hands. Someone on WS said that the autopsy didn't show Trayvon had injuries other than the gunshot. I thought the autopsy hasn't been revealed at all, and only the prosecution has seen it. Which is correct?

I don't think the autopsy has been revealed, it was the funeral director who said he didn't perceive injuries but he might have missed something, it was after the autopsy.

 

[rotterdam]

Please, help me out with this. I asked before, but I think a lot of people don't see my posts (lol). Can someone please provide the source for this description that is being accepted by posters as fact --> That TM "ran around" or "circled around" GZ's truck, not just once but "three times?"

I have searched MSM; nothing. Searched Google and it only redirects me to WS. A source would be greatly appreciated. TIA

I believe that was brought up during the bond hearing. The closest I could find to substantiate that claim is here. Although it does not say how many times , but is definitely different than the original walking up to check him out from the 911 call.

"But during his turn on the stand, Gilbreath drew attention to Zimmerman's assertion to police that Trayvon was at one point running around Zimmerman's car. Gilbreath questioned why that should make Zimmerman fear for his life. “[Zimmerman] was so scared that he still got out of the car and chased Mr. Martin,” Gilbreath said skeptically. "

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...in-Zimmerman-s-story-raised-police-suspicions

 

[CathyinTexas]

Which doesn't hurt their case in my opinion. Additionally, if the judge won't allow the jury to hear about Zimmerman's past offenses then he certainly will not allow Trayvon's suspension to be brought in as well.


~jmo~

I hope you are right, but I have heard that many a defense strategy is to trash the victim. If they bring up Trayvon's SCHOOL record does the prosecution then have the go ahead to bring up GZ's CRIMINAL record?

 

[cityslick]

Can you provide a link to this history? tia

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...-florida-prosecutor-trayvon-martin/54189310/1

 

[LolaMoon08]

IIRC, one of his initial lawyers said he requested medical treatment (as in, go to a hospital medical treatment) that night and it was declined by police. Yes, he was treated on scene. That doesn't mean much if you have a broken nose and possible concussion or other head injury and you're just cleaned up a little and sent on your merry way.

I don't even know how much contact these two lawyers had with GZ himself?? George didn't even consider them his lawyers? I think it was Daddy Zimmerman getting information from George again.

MOO

 

[cityslick]

Can you provide a link to this history? tia

Angela Corey is currently prosecuting another high-profile slaying. In that case, Corey charged 12-year-old Cristian Fernandez as an adult with first-degree murder in the death of his 2-year-old half brother. Corey has said the boy will not face trial or spend the rest of his life in jail, but Florida law allows only life in prison for a first-degree murder conviction.


There are high ranking attorneys who strongly disagree with her charge in that case.