17 yo Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #9

[CHICANA]

I honestly do not think his nose was broken? I could be wrong, but I was elbowed in the school lunch line when I was young (accident) and my nose bled like crazyyyyyy... it was not broken though?

We know Zimmerman's nose was bleeding (maybe?) because LE said it was on their official reports. But no blood on Zimmerman's shirt?

Wonder if it matters where you're hit ? This happened before he was my husband. He's hispanic and was attacked at a gas station by 5 white guys. They hit my friend and her boyfriend but for some reason they left me alone even though I jumped on one of their backs as they were stomping my husband's head into the ground. He was barely conscious, but I don't remember alot of blood and his head wasn't bleeding. I just remember how purple and swollen his entire face was.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

And if Trayvon has already walked up to his truck... he would have told the LE dispatcher that!

AND AND AND - we would have heard that encounter on the 911 call. Wouldn't we?

 

[Gypsy Road]

I've been on vacation and not watching the news, so I'm still trying to get caught up on this case here. Can someone help me? I just took a look at the picture above that pinpoints where Trayvon's body was found. It appears he was found by a sidewalk and not on the street or by the street. I read earlier that Zimmerman claims that Trayvon attacked him when he got out of his truck to look at a street sign. If that's the case - why was Trayvon's body found where it was? It looks like it's around the building and away from the street. How did it get there if he was attacking (allegedly) GZ at his truck? Did GZ chase him around the building? I'm just trying to understand how GZ's version fits with where the body is found. Forgive me if I have over looked the obvious. This is a new case for me.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Source: Sanford police chief, state attorney made Zimmerman 'no charge' call in person

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...mmerman-no-charge-call-in-person.php#46882946

A source with knowledge of the investigation into the shooting of Trayvon Martin tells theGrio that it was then Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor, who made the decision to release George Zimmerman on the night of February 26th, after consulting with State Attorney Norman Wolfinger -- in person.

Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself.
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What was not stated was that, on the night of the killing, Wolfinger may have traveled to either the scene of the shooting or the police station to discuss the case with Lee and O'Connor, who was briefly named interim "co-chief" with the current acting chief, Darren Scott, when Lee announced he would step down temporarily last week.

In this case, the source says investigators spoke to the on-duty assistant state attorney -- an unidentified woman -- who did not come to the scene, but that Wolfinger did.

And according to the source, after a conversation between Lee, O'Connor and Wolfinger, the decision was made to "cut Zimmerman loose."

More at link....

Ok Bill Lee is still on vacation.

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If true, the account may explain why Wolfinger recused himself from the case last week, on the same day Lee announced he was stepping aside. Also in question is whether Lee himself or O'Connor overruled Serino that night.

Wolfinger represents Brevard and Seminole Counties. His main Seminole County office is located in Sanford. The state attorney is an elected position, which Wolfinger has held since 1984; he is up for re-election this year.

Sanford police initially turned the case over to Wolfinger's office more than a week ago, and at no time did Wolfinger indicate he had already reviewed it. Lee has stood by the investigation, saying that officers lacked sufficient evidence to arrest Zimmerman.

Wolfinger recused himself from the case last week, stating in a letter to Florida Governor Rick Scott that he was requesting the case be reassigned "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest." Florida Gov. Rick Scott and state attorney general Pam Bondi appointed Duval County state attorney Angela Corey to act as a special prosecutor in the case.

It was unknown Wednesday if city manager Norton Bonaparte Jr, the only person with the authority to remove the chief permanently, was aware of Wolfinger's involvement on the night of the shooting. Bonaparte is currently deciding whether to make Lee's 'step aside' permanent.

 

[jjenny]

"ABC News reported that Zimmerman appears uninjured in the video. But a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/p...zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/#ixzz1qTN9gl9q

 

[tehcloser]

He said SHOWN not SHELLED......listen to the video. So GZ's father said he showed the gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/46887846/#46887846

 

[Quiche]

Regarding the route Trayvon went through the back the of townhomes: that's exactly the route I would have taken if I were being followed. All those living areas, sliding glass doors, patios, windows etc... far more likely to receive help if you had to call for it than out on the street side.

Just another thought on the matters, and moo.

 

[CHICANA]

I think it means the shell was in the chamber, but I may be way off.

I think you're right.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

A broken nose would not show on a dead body, once the heart stops pumping blood no tissues are going to bleed or swell.

ETA: I don't think that TM had a broken nose, but considering what else has happened in this case, I can't say I would be shocked at much ...

Even knuckles?

 

[jjenny]

He says shelled, not showed, (whatever that means).

 

[Isabelle]

It was only 6 minutes from the time GZ called 911 or whatever to Trayvon's death!

 

[Nore]

Trayvon Martin Case: Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing

Newly released video of George Zimmerman at the Sanford Police Department the night he shot Trayvon Martin to death show the neighborhood watch volunteer without blood on his clothing or bruises on his face or head. His clean-shaven picture seems to contrast with the violent beating he told police he endured at the hands of Martin, 17, who Zimmerman said attacked him from behind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-police-video_n_1386764.html

Wow watching The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC and love this guy...Funeral director just repeated what he has said on other shows TM had no bruises,scrapes or anything on TM's hands or knuckles.And he also said he saw entrance wound on the chest no exit wound on back!!!!! GZ is a LIAR!!!!!!!!!! IMHO JMHO

If EMT's can clean up THAT much blood AND miraculously heal someones head like that, I want to meet them.

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Hi, I think they take them straight to the Medical Examiner as is.They do the cleaning. Now this is not died in the wool truth, this is from watching too much Dr. G. and seeing how they are when unwrapped;:waitasec: O/T how long do we wait before Sunshine law kicks in? I forget.. Thanks a heap..:seeya:

PS. referring to Trayvon. Time for bed..LOL.

 

[CHICANA]

Do you really believe that when a parent is being shown a picture of their deceased child that they are going to get into such detail as a nose? Oh hey... his nose is broken?!!? That's not my son! It doesn't work that way. A parent knows their child. They knew it was Trayvon. They were told it was Trayvon!

Well, if he can remember the exact position of the body ?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Do you really believe that when a parent is being shown a picture of their deceased child that they are going to get into such detail as a nose? Oh hey... his nose is broken?!!? That's not my son! It doesn't work that way. A parent knows their child. They knew it was Trayvon. They were told it was Trayvon!

But wait a minute.

Hasn't the argument been that a broken nose would be bloody, swollen, bruised.

You don't think that would be quite obvious when looking at a picture of his face?

 

[LinasK]

It was only 6 minutes from the time GZ called 911 or whatever to Trayvon's death!

Sounds to me like GZ formed his intent pretty fast!!!

 

[Chris_Texas]

That's what I don't understand, and that's why I still feel something's not settling right. There are a lot of people this this was visible to, and I can't imagine that Zimmerman was important enough that this just slipped on by. From the initial officers that came onto the scene, to the supervisors that approved the reports, to the homicide/narco detectives, to the chief, to the state attorney... I really have no idea what to believe anymore.

The police decided to blow this case off from the beginning. Consider: they never even bothered to find out the kid's name, they never bothered to test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol, they did not care. It was just a black kid, so no biggie.

It ONLY became a big deal because the parents successfully managed to grab enough public attention that it went viral. Then it went political -- with the talking heads from both parties using this incident to play to their base.

I believe that unless there is some serious action taken very quickly this has the potential to get very violent and very ugly. And in a case like this one, where the complaint is overt institutional racism, any police reaction or response simply adds fuel to the fire.

In My Opinion.

 

[HiHater]

"ABC News reported that Zimmerman appears uninjured in the video. But a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/p...zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/#ixzz1qTN9gl9q

I trust what I see for myself.

That's the same site that published 152 pages of a dead child's tweets in an effort to demonize him? You're gonna have to find a more credible source. George Zimmerman needs more people...

:moo::twocents:

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Where was that report that said GZ also had a swollen lip? That came out yesterday I think. Regardless, IF he had a fat lip - then Trayvon's hands would have shown cuts - anyone that's ever punched someone in the mouth - or been punched in the mouth - you hit teeth too! That's usually where the injury comes from - the teeth being slammed into the soft tissue of the lip. So, I ain't buying no fat lip on GZ either.

Frankly, I don't think GZ took a single hit that night. From that video it sure looks that way.


JMHO

 

[gitana1]

Two things concern me more than others about the scenario of Zimmerman's claims.

-Zimmerman's claims of his head being beat on the sidewalk

-LE's statement of dampness and grass on Zimmerman's back consistent with being on his back.

Some seem convinced that, as Zimmerman said, TM punched him in the nose, knocking him down, and then got on top of a prone Zimmerman and started bashing his head against the sidewalk as he lay in the grass. That's what led Zimmerman to pull out his handgun and shoot Trayvon in the chest while he was on top of him, out of fear for his life.

That's more or less the gist of it, isn't it?

We know, with reasonable certainty that the body was found approximately here:

From the video link below with Trayvon's father, we know the position of the body as well. At the 1:33 mark he says:

"His feet were like on the sidewalk"

At the 1:39 mark he says:

"And his body was laid out this way" (motioning with both hands towards the grass)

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

Here's my problem with all of this. For Zimmerman to be (a) laying on his back in the grass AND (b) having Trayvon on top of him bashing his head against the sidewalk when he shot him,

Zimmerman would have to be on his back 180 degrees OPPOSITE of the direction the boy's body was found in

OR

on the opposite side of the sidewalk.

How did the body pf a 17 year old kid, shot in the chest with a large caliber handgun, come to lay in a completely opposite positioning from what was REQUIRED for either possibility of Zimmerman's claims?

Great sleuthing. And great question.

I don't get it either. I don't see why the officer would make that up, especially since it now seems they wanted to charge GZ. Plus an eyewitness statement that TM was on top of GZ while GZ was screaming.
I guess he could have been cleaned up by the paramedics ? I just remembered a fight I witnessed between a friend and her boyfriend ions ago, he slammed her head into the bathroom vanity at least 5 times, she didn't have any cuts or visible abrasions, she did however have a concussion. Getting your head pounded on the concrete might not result in any cuts, more like scrapes, that might not be visible on the video.

Except the police state that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of his head and his attorney stated the gash in the back of the head was one that would have required stitches. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57406183/video-shows-zimmerman-without-blood-bruises/
http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...ows-zimmerman-had-no-blood-bruises-on-him.php
The surveillance tape surely contradicts both of those statements.

Well there clearly is a dark spot on top of Zimmerman's head so that could be a scrape of some sort. It's impossible to say because the video is so grainy.

I see no dark spot of any kind.

They didn't think they were. It's not like Zimmerman gunned down a white HS cheerleader. He killed a black kid. The police didn't even care enough to find out the kid's name. :banghead:

That's right. This is the Sanford P.D..

 

[tehcloser]

After nearly a minute of being beaten, George was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with Trayvon on him, into the grass. In doing so, his firearm was shown. Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of 'you're going to die now or you're going to die tonight,' something to that effect. He continued to beat George and at some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/zimmermans-father-claims_n_1386981.html